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Freeriding on glaciers - the monster is lurking…

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This great shot from Zermatt Guide and all round Alpine legend Sam Anthamatten gives a frightening wake-up call on the crevasse danger lurking on the glaciers at the moment
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Good post, great picture, sound advice. @BobinCH,
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In some ways more dangerous are bridges over streams. Quite a few alpinists have been killed by these late season nasties as if you are caught by the river you have very little chance of escape.

http://youtube.com/shorts/si617PIZn2g

snow bridges are always something of a lottery, here a guided group on the Vallee Blanche, guide is in front


http://youtube.com/v/nWOTVHhgnIs

and a horrific death for the unlucky

https://pistehors.com/23265465/the-death-of-a-guide
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@davidof,
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some ways more dangerous are bridges over streams. Quite a few alpinists have been killed by these late season nasties as if you are caught by the river you have very little chance of esc

Though there can be miracles - Swedish skier trapped under ice for 80 minutes, suffered cardiac arrest after 40 mins - then made full recovery...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Bagenholm
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Its quite sobering to look at the places you ride on glacier this year, this is from hintertux, and this place is very popular for offpiste from the chairlift and to the right its actually black run is located.

https://ibb.co/S7cRgbp
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I remember in the mid 90s when the ice there on Hintertux was much thicker there was a wide cravasse across that area mid way up. Early season once it was it was just hidden, someone went through, we saw a big rescue ongoing, it looked like they did the lift out using a helicopter. The word later at the café was it was a fatality but probably just conjecture.
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After all it is free Go on u know u want to!
Yep at Stubai there are also a lot of crevasses right next to the pistes, on slopes that are popular offpiste routes. These from 2012 (so definitely more open now):





And from inside one of the above (deliberately!) in 2016 or 17:



Be very very careful on the glaciers this year!
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Only small cracks and rivers on piste at Hintertux, interesting vid here I found randomly of a late summer run from the top to the Tuxerfernhaus. However I have been on it like this as early as late June in a bad year.

Going over this stuff trashes your gear as the ice is covered in gravel.


http://youtube.com/v/Yf0K4G2_gLA
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I was on the stubai gletscher over the weekend. Some nice snow but big cracks everywhere that didn't really concern me it was the ones i couldn't see.
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Turned out OK but cautionary tale - Lads trip to Cham 2003, 8 of us went up Grand Montets and skied carefully down through the crevasses, went clockwise off the top, great snow, one of our team knew the area well. Unfortunately one of the guys hadn't clipped into his binding properly and one of his skis came off - he skied straight down a crevasse, landed on his back on a snow bridge. Helicopter winched him out as we all stood around a safe distance back from the crevasse rim, and took him straight off to hospital but we could hear him shouting saying he was OK as he was plucked out.....we had no idea where he'd gone to hospital. His wife calling that evening said he'd not been in touch, his best mate with us (friends of friends) told her he was in hospital, that didn't go down well! 2 days later he was back and skied the Vallee Blanche with us with a guide, and we saw a group of snowboarders hiking back up, no guide looking for their 2 friends who it turned out were missing on the Mer de Glace, never did hear the outcome of that.
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@JimboS, I did that once. September is not a good time for the Tux!
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Summer 1991 I was staying on a camp site near Chamonix for a few days. English family in caravan next to my tent - she did triathlons, saw her on TV a few months later. They went for a walk by the edge of a glacier (not sure which one) and found an old climbing boot .... with the foot still inside.
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Summer 1991 I was staying on a camp site near Chamonix for a few days. English family in caravan next to my tent - she did triathlons, saw her on TV a few months later. They went for a walk by the edge of a glacier (not sure which one) and found an old climbing boot .... with the foot still inside.
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@davidof,
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some ways more dangerous are bridges over streams. Quite a few alpinists have been killed by these late season nasties as if you are caught by the river you have very little chance of esc

Though there can be miracles - Swedish skier trapped under ice for 80 minutes, suffered cardiac arrest after 40 mins - then made full recovery...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Bagenholm


I'm 99% sure this is the case that to this day effects how emergency responders deal with people in the water. If it's not this one, then it's a very similar incident.

I'm a firefighter and often we are the first on scene for people in the water (inland). We work up to 90 minutes of being submersed as a saveable life because of this case. Obviously in the UK the water temperature is never going to be cold enough to create the situation of "stasis" that the ice cold Norwegian water did and unfortunately, most people submerged in cold UK water won't make it after a few minutes. Interestingly, the ambulance service only work to 60 minutes, due to their much more wider medical knowledge and it's their responsibility to declare "life extinct".
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195062 wrote:
... found an old climbing boot .... with the foot still inside.
In UK you have to be careful with finding body parts, as at least a few years ago doing that and reporting it would cause the inquest for whoever's part it was to be re-opened.

The Swedish lady in Norway is an interesting and counter-intuitive case. There are other cases I recall hearing about of drownings, where cold water induced bradycardia was credited with people surviving, albeit at much warmer temperatures.

In BC I've seen two people fall in creeks over the years. Both were uninjured, but soaked through in minus 20 or so. That's a quick crevasse rescue followed by rapid heli-evac to the warmth. That's one where the bad thing hasn't happened, and if you move quickly enough it won't. Both were fine. Worth having planned what to do in those situations before you need to do it.
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