 Poster: A snowHead
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I’ve been reading about bindings where the heel is on a turntable to reduce acl risk of injury.
Tyrolia and Kneebinding. But I’ve noticed lots of the content is quite old.
What’s the latest on this type of binding? Has the technology crossed into mainstream bindings e.g. Salomon / Look?
Are there any other brand I should be looking at?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Tbh no idea on latest but I have kneebindings that I bought 7 years ago. Been using them ever since. They are significantly heavier than the ones that came off my current skis. I have tested the extra release direction in falls and so far my right ACL is still intact and my left one I haven't damaged the remaining bits of my reconstructed ACL (I damaged the recon while playing hockey)
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Tyrolia Protector is their new binding that's supposed to help. Also I've head of a brand called Howell - out of the USA who were working on this type of binding. Knee have been around a while but never seen them being used by anyone.
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I’m curious as to why the tech hasn’t been adopted by big manufacturers…
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Cost I'm guessing RandD on something like this must cost a fortune and the current tech works for 99% of people.
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Suspect weight is another aspect, that and people don't know to care about it until they wreck their knees for the most part. Underlying assumption thar i naively had that the normal bindings should protect from injury....
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indemnity might be another issue - claim a binding protects you from an ACL injury and after the 1st lawsuit hits your losing money - you can't ever hope to cover every eventuality on a pair of skis and injuries will still happen, not that will stop someone popping you in court.....
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@albertosaurus, Look have had heel turntables for decades...
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| andy n netty wrote: |
| Cost I'm guessing RandD on something like this must cost a fortune and the current tech works for 99% of people. |
According to knee bindings 70k acl injuries per year \0/
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@albertosaurus, and 75 million skier days per year (ish) in North America alone, 210 million (ish) in the Alps alone etc etc etc. Sounds a lot 70k acl injuries but in reality its a tiny fraction of skiers worldwide - not that I'd like to be one of them!!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @albertosaurus, Look have had heel turntables for decades... |
Not the same thing. The Look Pivot heel was designed to add additional lateral elasticity - especially because their early toe design sucked.
To mitigate against an ACl/MCL injury a binding that releases directly sidewalls/inwards is required and the only one to do that is the Kneebinding with its patented 'Lateral Release' that has its own din setting. Unfortunately to achieve that the Kneebinding is higher, heavier and expensive. I'm scheptical about the degree of effectiveness of the Tyrolia/Head version as it doesn't have a full proper lateral release but it is lighter, lower and cheaper than the Kneebinding.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I have KneeBindings on my Santa Anas. It's a bit like insurance which you might never need to claim on, and might not cover all eventualities. Like seat belts, it can't protect against all possible causes of injury.
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| Also I've head of a brand called Howell - out of the USA who were working on this type of binding. |
I believe Howell was involved in developing KneeBindings but there was a falling out between partners.
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One downside on Knee Bindings is that they are R and L handed so your ski tuning becomes a touch complicated ...
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