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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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From what I can see it doesn't include Luton? In which case I take back everything bad I have EVER said about the great people and town of Luton.*
We fly on 23/12 for our first family Christmas since 2018.
*if they are striking then I wish them all a pretty shitty christmas
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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We are travelling back from France on the 24th. Expecting the worst at Gatwick. At least its on our way back I suppose.
Merry Christmas
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| if they are striking then I wish them all a pretty shitty christmas |
Rather harsh  Nobody takes the decision to strike - and lose pay - lightly. There are times when employees need to make a stand, as opposed to kow-towing to employers as though they are 19th century mill owners.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Anyone know the reason why they aren't on strike for the 27th? I expect it is a technicality on not being able to strike for so many days in a row or to disrupt any cover that is in place. I expect disruption will be as bad or worse that day.
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@mountainaddict, I dont disagree wirh you as I have said in other threads. However there are 365 days to make a statement and choosing the first non-covid christmas isn’t punishing their lords and masters now is it?
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| Glosterwolf wrote: |
| Anyone know the reason why they aren't on strike for the 27th? I expect it is a technicality on not being able to strike for so many days in a row or to disrupt any cover that is in place. I expect disruption will be as bad or worse that day. |
They don't need to strike on 27th, they'll turn up for work, get paid and it will still be chaos
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| mountainaddict wrote: |
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| if they are striking then I wish them all a pretty shitty christmas |
Rather harsh Nobody takes the decision to strike - and lose pay - lightly. There are times when employees need to make a stand, as opposed to kow-towing to employers as though they are 19th century mill owners. |
+1
I can't imagine they're relishing losing the pay just before Xmas, but if the 2% pay offer in this article is correct, they may not have been facing that great a Xmas anyway:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/07/border-force-staff-to-strike-over-christmas-in-row-over-pay?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
I'm not convinced it is fair to blame the workers in this case. They wouldn't feel the need to strike if they were offered a fair deal.
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| Nadenoodlee wrote: |
| @mountainaddict, I dont disagree wirh you as I have said in other threads. However there are 365 days to make a statement and choosing the first non-covid christmas isn’t punishing their lords and masters now is it? |
Not if people choose to lay the blame for the disruption on them rather than their "lords and masters" I guess.
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@sugarmoma666, bless you. Are you traveling on 23/12?
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I think 2% is too low also. I thought I saw that they rejected 6% but can't find it now. I'm flying out from Heathrow on 26th and return on 2nd. Hopefully won't effect departures so much.
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No it's not.
I travel on 23rd and 27th for the first time in 3 years. If they f**k up my Christmas then I wish them exactly the same.
I could do 22nd but good luck rebooking 4 days worth of flights to another busy day. And 27th might be a non-strike day, but half the flights will still probably be all knackered with planes not in the right place.
RMT used to do similar things like a strike starting at 4pm until 4pm the next day and calling it a 1 day strike. Sorry that's 2 days when it's all fubared.
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I see the result of this being massive ques in arrivals. Shouldn't do much in the way of stopping departures or getting people off planes, should it? 
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You know it makes sense.
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@mountainaddict, are you flying during this period?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Glosterwolf, Fingers crossed. Returning from Geneva on the evening of 23rd. I'll queue for as long as it takes, let's hope the e-gates aren't on strike either.
Given Border Force at airports were on full pay for two years whilst airports were effectively closed during Covid, my cup is not running over with sympathy. Like @Andy, first trip for three years.....
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Poster: A snowHead
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@snowhound, See your point, same here, first in 3 years also, kids have missed out so I tried to make up for it with this one. I worked through it all in industrial construction and didn't claim any support. My rate has gone up much more than 2 % which is why I suppose I have some sympathy but they do seem to have picked dates to strike that have the biggest impact on family and especially children which is poor.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Glosterwolf wrote: |
| I see the result of this being massive ques in arrivals. Shouldn't do much in the way of stopping departures or getting people off planes, should it? |
The issue might be that if arrivals are backed up the passport control, then passengers might get held on the aircraft and so departures can't load. That's what happened earlier this year when airports were short staffed.
I'm flying BoxingDay from Gatwick but its st dilly o'clock so I'm hoping that might work in our favour.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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If I were planning to fly on those dates I'd be very pissed off, just as I would be if Gatwick airport was closed by a foot of snow. However, one's view on whether the strikes are justified surely shouldn't depend on whether one is going to be personally affected? Border Force are perpetually advertising for staff.
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@pam w, Can't be the hardest job in the world if the Army can be trained in 3-4 days to stand in, as has been reported.
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And the leader of their union, Mark Serwotka, is a outright Marxist, so of course he doesn't have any other agenda?
https://www.socialist.net/the-fightback-starts-now-an-interview-with-mark-serwotka.htm
Ironically my OH fly's back to Gatwick on the 24th and then back out with my daughters the 30th.
The Grinch in me said "feck that I'm staying put as someone has to look after the dogs and no way I want to chance traveling around Xmas"
Just hope for everyone, e-gates and the army manage to help all those travelling.
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I didn't say it was the hardest job in the world. You could volunteer to join up, @snowhound, at £16,300 per annum.
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Starting pay for school leavers is round about minimum wage level. And it can take a long time to progress. I'm not suggesting they are particularly hard done by, but it does seem that they struggle to recruit and retain staff. Of course they are going to strike when the impact will be widely felt - whatever you feel about their case, it would pointless to choose a time when nobody would notice.
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@pam w,
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Of course they are going to strike when the impact will be widely felt - whatever you feel about their case, it would pointless to choose a time when nobody would notice.
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Makes sense.
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| pam w wrote: |
| Border Force are perpetually advertising for staff. |
Some of their requirements seem a bit odd! My friends son applied when he came home from Canada, during the pandemic, where he`d been working for a while. Because he`d been non resident in the Uk he has to wait a considerable time here (years) before his application could be accepted! Madness surely, he did not change or add citizenship of another country and all of his family are, and always have been British and nothing else.
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That does sound a bit over-zealous! But some period of continuous residence in Britain seems a reasonable requirement. One problem is that jobs often get masses of applicants from foreigners keen to live and work in the UK and perhaps the "weeding out" process doesn't take individual circumstances sufficiently into account.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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They have to be security cleared hence some of those requirements, that's not to say the clearance process is for for purpose which it isn't.
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@pam w, @orange, I understand the need for security clearance but it seemed a bit extreme in his particular circumstances.
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You know it makes sense.
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I guess that the usual checks can't easily (or economically) be done on somebody who has been out of the country with no address, or employment, in the UK.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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^ it could well be for the clearance they need they simply can't do it or the rules say they can't be cleared.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Given the personal data that Border Force staff deal with on a day to day basis it's clear that they need an appropriate security clearance. This takes time to arrange and cannot always be completed for job applicants who have spent time living overseas.
The requirements are here (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/united-kingdom-security-vetting-clearance-levels/national-security-vetting-clearance-levels) and I assume that it is difficult to conduct some of these checks overseas or have sufficient confidence in the information provided by overseas sources.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Flying out of Gatwick on the 23rd, returning on the 27th. Likely to be affected somehow.
Fully support any strike action to improve pay and conditions. Some of the attitudes on here are pathetic "oh woeth me...I may have to make alternative arrangements or queue for longer". Have a long hard look at yourselves.
Anger should be directed at the Government and the huge multi-million/billion pound companies draining our services.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Fridge03, +1 Completely agree.
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| Glosterwolf wrote: |
| I see the result of this being massive ques in arrivals. Shouldn't do much in the way of stopping departures or getting people off planes, should it? |
Like you I'm flying out to Switzerland from LHR on 26th December. Whilst the initial effect of the strikes is of course on arrivals, if there are massive queues at arrivals I've seen suggestions that it could result in delays to people disembarking from incoming flights with resultant knock-on effects to the aircraft departure times. Just as well for my rail transfer to Wengen I bought a Saver Day Pass ticket which means I'm not constrained to a particular time train service.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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100% of my travel days so far this year have been affected by one strike or another. May as well make it a full house.
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@Fridge03,
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Anger should be directed at the Government
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Plus a little bit of anger towards a certain Mr. V. Putin, who's tipped the balance on the cost of living pressures
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Returning to Heathrow 24th December from GVA. Luckily we are not expecting anyone at our house the next day. Whether we get back to see our son and family on the 25th …..
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| Fridge03 wrote: |
Flying out of Gatwick on the 23rd, returning on the 27th. Likely to be affected somehow.
Fully support any strike action to improve pay and conditions. Some of the attitudes on here are pathetic "oh woeth me...I may have to make alternative arrangements or queue for longer". Have a long hard look at yourselves.
Anger should be directed at the Government and the huge multi-million/billion pound companies draining our services. |
Fully agree
Let's put 10% on income tax to pay for it all
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Yes, I think Putin must share the blame. I guess it's true that we are fighting a proxy war - and that our hardships don't compare with those in Ukraine.
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| pam w wrote: |
| I guess that the usual checks can't easily (or economically) be done on somebody who has been out of the country with no address, or employment, in the UK. |
Yes, fair point.
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