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Hi all
I’m in the market for a new pair of ski trousers - I have some basic Dare2B salopettes and a pair of Salomon ice mania ski pants but I have a new jacket and the Salomons are too bright (I’ll probably use them still on occasion)
Whilst looking I note that most manufacturers are now in favour of a ski pant rather than salopette - what are your thoughts on this?
I like the fact salopettes stay up without being tight on the waist and my Salomons fell down when I took a stumble in Mayrhofen
Am I better off sticking with the pants given there seems to be a bigger selection? Most salopettes I see now are big bibs.
Also the jacket I have is a north face chakal in bright blue so I was going to get some chakal trousers in black - any experience with these? I considered Patagonia, Salomon, HH etc but the NF seem to go better with the jacket
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![](templates/subSilver/images/full_size.gif) Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Oh, and thanks in advance
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![](templates/subSilver/images/full_size.gif) Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Get some Braces for your pants (which is what I have..)
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@Mcpayner, But not at the same time…
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You can still get ski pants with a bib - but they are much rarer.
Ski Pants come with a variety of ways to adjust fit:
- Some come with braces - often detachable.
- Most have elastic Velcro adjusters at the sides - and belt loops (belts can be bought cheaply on Amazon)
- A few come with a simple - usually nylon ribbon - belt.
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Thanks all - I’ll probably go with a belt rather than braces for a normal pair
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I nearly always use both belt and braces - the former keeps 'em nice and snug around the waistband to keep things tucked in, the latter keeps them up regardless of how tight the waist is. It can vary between trousers, but of the three or four pairs I use regularly I think I've got B&B on all of them.
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Salopettes with braces suck. Why would anyone want a six hour wedgie?
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I don't think that salopettes truly went away - they just got rebranded as bibs and came back with a more fashionable look from the likes of Flylow, Norrona etc.
The old bulkily insulated shiny looking things aren't to be missed anyway IMO. Dare2B still do a fair range of pants with braces etc. The seam quality isn't the greatest but you can always find them on discount somewhere.
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Decathlon do a couple of pairs of ski pants with braces in their Simond range.
They are designed for mountaineering/ski touring and have an internal gaiter.
The soft shell ones are most excellent and not too spendy!
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![](templates/subSilver/images/full_size.gif) You know it makes sense.
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I suffer from a problem… which is a non existent behind! I absolutely must have braces (or at least a belt), as my trousers just slide off. Actually, I also need to jury-rig something to hold the shoulder straps together too.
If I buy the wrong brand of jeans, they end up splitting in the crotch very rapidly because of this. I might be in a minority, but proper salopettes still have a customer here
(Actually for winter climbing, they are also essential, but that is no longer my problem!)
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If I buy the wrong brand of jeans, they end up splitting in the crotch very rapidly because of this
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I've been trying to envisage why this should be. Do you have a permanent wedgie from such a high and tight belt? And is the resulting premature wear on your tackle not worse than that on the jeans?
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![](templates/subSilver/images/full_size.gif) Poster: A snowHead
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My sailing oilies are "bib style", which is essential, but they do have flap at the back - though even so trying to use the heads in anything other than a flat calm presents some problems.
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pam w wrote: |
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If I buy the wrong brand of jeans, they end up splitting in the crotch very rapidly because of this
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I've been trying to envisage why this should be. Do you have a permanent wedgie from such a high and tight belt? And is the resulting premature wear on your tackle not worse than that on the jeans? |
The crotch ends up low, rapper style, and is hence exposed to a larger range of leg separation.
I think I understand what I wrote, but could certainly also draw a sketch. Perhaps thankfully, Snowheads does not give the option though
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@Mcpayner, Belt & Braces is the way forward.
The braces being the most imporant.
Sometimes its a good idea to cross your braces to stop them slipping off your shoulders.
Unfortunately I lost my favourite D belt in the luggage X-Ray machine at Gare du Nord.
It went in and never came out.
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Be thankful you weren't wearing it at the time, @DrLawn.
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@pam w,
I had to hold onto my pants all the way home.
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Good point, well put.
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johnE wrote: |
I think it is all a devious American plot to rename all trousers, salopettes etc. "pants" leaving us English wondering what to call our pants.
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Quite so. And it's even worse when they singularize [sic] it, like:
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If happy with a Shell Pant... |
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Quite so. And it's even worse when they singularize [sic] it, like:
Old Fartbag wrote:
If happy with a Shell Pant...
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I thought that was refering to my beathing during a mogul run.
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I struggle with the French "un jean".
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We should reciprocate in-kind and introduce them to “panties”.
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Chaletbeauroc wrote: |
johnE wrote: |
I think it is all a devious American plot to rename all trousers, salopettes etc. "pants" leaving us English wondering what to call our pants.
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Quite so. And it's even worse when they singularize [sic] it, like:
Old Fartbag wrote: |
If happy with a Shell Pant... |
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Here in Ireland some folks double down and use the phrase "a pair of pantses".
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![](templates/subSilver/images/full_size.gif) You know it makes sense.
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johnE wrote: |
... "pants" leaving us English wondering what to call our pants. ... |
Odd. Maybe the word works differently in different parts of England? Pants have always been... pants, at least for my part of the UK. "salopettes" sounds like a foreign word for dungarees. Never heard anyone other than old English skiers use that term, although of course English isn't prescribed by law or anything, so they're welcome to it.
On the OP, I think the word is out of fashion, but the products are still available.
I started to have to use the braces once obesity became fashionable - adult-cut pants with honest sizing are almost impossible to get any more.
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pam w wrote: |
My sailing oilies are "bib style", which is essential, but they do have flap at the back - though even so trying to use the heads in anything other than a flat calm presents some problems. |
Try a shewee. My other half wears bibs and swears by it for convenience in the back country. Looks a bit strange in use though
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Virtually impossible with one hand. And do they do a shepoo?
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We did discuss its potential for that use case but so far untested
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And where, on a boat in a seaway, would you direct the flow? And what would you do with the nasty thing afterwards? Might as well sit down....once plonked on the quite comfortable seat, I then have a sturdy handle to hang on to. The difficult bit is unbuttoning the back flap thing with one hand. Once that's done, the rest is fairly straightforward. Fortunately the heads in my cabin faces fore and aft. It would be much harder on one which faced sideways! And it's easier for women, really - some men struggle with the idea of sitting down to pee. Feel it's an insult to their manhood or something.
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I’m no nautical expert but do enjoy fishing from a kayak. When nature calls, just go over the side ! There’s a large body of water there, it’s not gonna make much difference.
Anyway, it comes in a case, goes in the pack with the shovel and probe, well away from the sandwiches and flask of tea.
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hang11 wrote: |
I’m no nautical expert but do enjoy fishing from a kayak. When nature calls, just go over the side ! There’s a large body of water there, it’s not gonna make much difference.
Anyway, it comes in a case, goes in the pack with the shovel and probe, well away from the sandwiches and flask of tea. |
I was bursting for a wee alone in a catamaran a few days ago. Since there were people watching, I vaguely considered exploiting the mesh trampoline… I reckon you’d get away with it
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A couple of weeks ago i got up on to a ridge to be confronted with a view of mrshang11 standing there taking a leak just like a guy would. Stood bolt upright, strapped into a split board.
Was very very weird TBH.
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Hoss0610 wrote: |
Decathlon do a couple of pairs of ski pants with braces in their Simond range.
They are designed for mountaineering/ski touring and have an internal gaiter.
The soft shell ones are most excellent and not too spendy! |
I have a pair of those - a sort of lined shell with braces built in and reinforced area to zip over ski boots. I wear them over thermals. They are great.
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Stood bolt upright, strapped into a split board.
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On a yacht, everyone should sit down. Traditionally the heads were over the stern. Not possible for a woman with any shred of dignity, and not advisable when you have a dinghy on davits. Even for men, standing up holding a backstay with one hand and your willy with the other can lead to the sad "found drowned flies open" event. The mesh trampoline would be fine I guess, @JamesHJ, just sit and look as though you're taking a rest.
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There was a story on this forum a few years ago about a lady who needed a wee while skiing. She skied into woods and without getting off her skis lowered her trousers (and one must assume pants as well) squatted and began. Unfortuneatly she had not checked she was totally level and was shocked to discover that she skied gently back and out onto the piste.
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