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Electric Vehicle route to the alps

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Charge Finder has live info on them. Looks like they're working (although they're very much destination charges rather than quick ones but I guess that's fine)

https://chargefinder.com/en/charging-station-sainte-foy-tarentaise-fermette-place-de-la-poste/wx8ky8
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paulhinch wrote:
Charge Finder has live info on them. Looks like they're working (although they're very much destination charges rather than quick ones but I guess that's fine)

https://chargefinder.com/en/charging-station-sainte-foy-tarentaise-fermette-place-de-la-poste/wx8ky8


Thanks. Destination charging will be fine, can park & charge while we ski/eat Smile
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luanb wrote:
Hello all, we're planning to drive to Bourg-Saint-Maurice and stay there next weekend. Has anyony been recently and knows what's the chargers situation like there? The Elli/ABRP map is showing that there are chargers near the post office but a Google review last week says that they don't exist.

I don't think there's any high speed chargers in Bourg. There are four 22kW (I think) chargers in the multi-storey car park at the SuperU supermarket. I've not used them but I think they are part of the Sowatt network, also available with a ChargeMap account.
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rob@rar wrote:
luanb wrote:
Hello all, we're planning to drive to Bourg-Saint-Maurice and stay there next weekend. Has anyony been recently and knows what's the chargers situation like there? The Elli/ABRP map is showing that there are chargers near the post office but a Google review last week says that they don't exist.

I don't think there's any high speed chargers in Bourg. There are four 22kW (I think) chargers in the multi-storey car park at the SuperU supermarket. I've not used them but I think they are part of the Sowatt network, also available with a ChargeMap account.


Looks like I'll need a ChargeMap card for activations. I don't think I can order one in time. Oh well.
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I’m driving back to the UK tonight via Eurotunnel and it seems that there are fast chargers in the flexiplus area at Calais? I’m a bit nervous about going through immigration only to find that this isn’t the case/they don’t work etc. Has anyone who has been through recently confirm whether they do exist?
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rachelharrisonsmith wrote:
I’m driving back to the UK tonight via Eurotunnel and it seems that there are fast chargers in the flexiplus area at Calais? I’m a bit nervous about going through immigration only to find that this isn’t the case/they don’t work etc. Has anyone who has been through recently confirm whether they do exist?


Not sure about the Flexiplus, but there are definitely chargers in the main parking area and they do work. However, you'll need to either sign up to their app or have a working RIF card, in my case the Eli RIF card worked perfectly.
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@luanb, Thanks - I don’t have a RIF card yet (I got the car less than a week ago). My car app is directing me to them, so I’ll take a risk with enough charge to get me to Maidstone. There’s quite a lot of planning to do!!!
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paulhinch wrote:
Charge Finder has live info on them. Looks like they're working (although they're very much destination charges rather than quick ones but I guess that's fine)

https://chargefinder.com/en/charging-station-sainte-foy-tarentaise-fermette-place-de-la-poste/wx8ky8


This charger definitely does not exist. I've walked around searching for it for 30 minutes!
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rob@rar wrote:
@andy from embsay, yes, it’s still in Beta. For me it’s been pretty much faultless, except for the first few days but that was my fault as I set it up incorrectly. But my point is that when it comes to EVs legacy manufacturers really needed to have the same kind of mindset change that EV owners need to have when they make the switch from ICE. We shouldn’t think of an EV just as a regular car which happens to have a battery and electric motor rather than a tank and an engine. It can, and I think should, be something different. For example, how the EV interfaces with the National Grid is going to matter more and more, and the smarter that relationship is the better for all concerned. As you say, Octopus is pretty good at innovating in this domain.
Apologies for thread drift, but just spotted that Octopus have announced a small scale beta programme available for a limited number of car models which offer "vehicle-to-grid" functionality. For those cars which can export energy stored in their battery back to the national grid at peak times, when you aren't using the car, then recharge at off-peak times, Octopus will offer free EV charging. Just a small scale trial with a very limited number of suitable cars, but I think an important step in the right direction for dealing with the problem of peak demand.

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@rob@rar, I think my Volvo (when it turns up…) has this capability.
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Did anyone do the half term trip in an EV? If so, what was your experience of charger availability? Stopping at Leclerc Champfleury for fuel this afternoon, the EV charging area looked busy.
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It's just cars equipped with Chademo fast charge ports at the moment. Nissan leaf, env200 and Mitsubishi outlander phev. Unfortunately the indominant standard in Europe (CCS) until recently hasn't had a standard for vehicle to home or grid.

Having said this, several cars can do vehicle to load (mg, Kia, etc), great for portable power but not fit integrating into house storage.
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Back on topic, I'm noticing a lot more charging options popping up on the Calais-Troyes-Dijon-Geneva route.

We've just got back from driving out mg ZS ev to the grand massif and the journey seems to be getting easier each time. Eg aire de sommesouse between Reims and Troyes with 13 CCS chargers that has popped up in the last year.

The only issue we've had is with total energies that show 8 plugs on apps but in reality there are only 2 fast chargers. A pain if they're both busy!
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rachelharrisonsmith wrote:
Did anyone do the half term trip in an EV? If so, what was your experience of charger availability? Stopping at Leclerc Champfleury for fuel this afternoon, the EV charging area looked busy.


We drive overnight so there we found no issues with charging stops in France being too busy. The Tesla sites are huge on the way down from UK and many are open to non Tesla's (and quite a lot cheaper too!)
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One thing about EV charging is rapid charging is expensive unless your car has a deal. Eg Hyundai gets cheap Ionity because they were one of the initial investors. Most cars are restricted to rapid charge 100kW/h or slow AC eg 7kW/h on a public charge.

This is why we chose a wee Renault Zoe as an EV because we can’t charge at home but can charge on the cheaper AC at 22kW/h. I believe these are everywhere in France.

I also know of a free charger in Glasgow and use this all the time. Happy

Another car that can charge at full speed on these is a Tesla.
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So thought I would do a write up of our trip as I think its an interesting output from us.

Last year we split the trip into 3 sections Hampshire -> Ashford, Ashford via tunnel -> Annecy and then Annecy to Val D'Isere. Last year it was done in an SQ5 and this time in a Model Y Performance (but running 19s with all-seasons). It's family with two kids so we did end up stopping every so often. We used the following charges

    * Fully charged at home in Hampshire
    * Maidstone just to top up a bit in case the eurotunnel was busy - 28Kwh. Chargers was fairly empty
    * Eurotunnel while waiting - 28Kwh. Chargers was fairly empty but it was around 5am
    * Aire D'Urvillers for Breakfast - 59Kwh (15 minutes max over last year)
    * Troyes for Lunch - 55Kwh (15 minutes max over last year)
    * Aire du Jura for afternoon stack - 59Kwh (15 minutes max over last year)
    * Albertville for Breakfast - 62Kwh (15 minutes max over last year)
    * Val D'Isere with 61% left of the battery

So the trip out probably took just under an hour longer than last year which is fine. Cost was interesting as charging cost us £71.40 vs last year around £83 each way in diesel so it ended up costing less which I was not expecting given this was all public charging. Worth noting that the drive this year overall did take a bit longer again but purely as we were limited to 110 vs 130 due to rain for a chunk of the journey though France although did go 125/130 when ever we could so were certainly not trying to drive efficiently, we just drove like we did the year before.

The trip back took a bit longer - we split it into two stopping at Reims for the night on Saturday. The stops didn't quite line up so well and it was busier - Troyes with 26 chargers were full and at one point when we got out spot had another 7 lined up but there was a ranger keeping a queue and cars were moving on so only had to wait 5-10 minutes. At Reims we also had to queue up for 5 minutes too so it did take us a bit longer coming back.

Overall it was not a problem. Fairly painless. Is it the same and as quick as a non EV no - is it for everyone No but for us it was. We did choose the chargers rather than rely on Tesla routing and used ABRP because we needed to make sure we had enough charger to get back down the mountain and also didn't want to get to chargers with <10% which was often suggested. It also allowed us to line them up for lunch etc.

We didn't buy the EV for the trip to the Alps but have found that its essentially made no difference for us to drive vs our old SQ5 - much more space in the back for the kids.

Below is a graphic of my charges

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One of the concerns voiced about EVs in general is about the conditions in which Cobalt is currently mined. However a new recycling method has the potential to drastically reduce the requirements to mine new cobalt.

It uses a liquid solvent derived from urine and acetic acid, the main ingredient in vinegar.

The scientists say that it is able to recover a whopping 97% of cobalt from a battery, all while relying on harmless chemicals and much less energy than current processes.

“The combination of readily available and relatively harmless substances and high energy efficacy gives our method potential to work for large-scale extraction,” said Ian Nicholls, a professor at Linnaeus University, in a press release.

Sounds like piss and vinegar could be the way forward.... Toofy Grin
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... also the new LFP batteries are supposedly cobalt free anyway.
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