12-16 year olds - Italy rules?

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I am correct in reading 12-16 year olds with one jab are currently allowed into Italy but won’t automatically qualify for the green pass. For this they will need to test every 48 hours (antigen). Does this mean they can’t enter a ski lift or restaurant etc until they have the result.
If so, anyone know how long each result will take and how much? Cervinia for 6 days pre Xmas is now looking not great if my understanding is correct.

Any guidance appreciate

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Does this help?
https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=156436

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@rinky75, we're in a similar situation as you but we're waiting to see if we can go for the Xmas -> New Year week in a group that includes 5 kids in this age range. It looks like the "Super Green Pass" that Italy are looking to introduce from the 6th of December will put the kibosh to our plans. The Green Pass would have allowed us to go with the kids testing every 2 days but now we're buggered. This was all pre-Omicron too, so goodness-knows what will happen in the next couple of weeks.

If all the UK's various Governments got the kids double-vaxed and recorded in the app like the adults, we'd be fine; fat-chance of that happening...

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From what I can find out the chance of 12-16 having 2nd jab is low to zero in the short term. Talk of around spring which means anywhere that classes one jab as unvaccinated is off limit.
Also booked whistler for Easter and they have same rules….currently

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dunno if this helps, looking for the same for our 2 kids for between christmas and new year... for us its got another more annoying twist as our eldest is 12 just before christmas, so if we jab him, he won't get the cert until something like 15 days later, after we'd have gone. However, as he has had COVID reasonably recently (as did we all) he could possibly get the recovery certificate.

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The person writing this blog is claiming the super green pass will require two jabs (ie be in line with other EU countries - however, no idea where that info has come from, as nothing else seems to have been published on the details, so take with a pinch of salt (ski resort press officers don’t seem to be very accurate in their understanding of differences between EU Covid passes and the original Italian green pass, if the other dolomite area websites are any indication): https://www.sauzeonline.com/super-green-pass-what-is-it/

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Crystal emailed me about 30 mins after I posted here.

They said if we meet the “super green pass” requirements - which they state as “fully” vaccinated or recovered within 6 months then holiday is still on…

If we do not meet the requirements- we can amend and get 10% discount off the new holiday or cancel with refund.

We will now be cancelling .

I’m going to wait until the actual regs are published, and then decide whether to do the same (though we’re SC in an Inghams apartment, so if they are a PITA they could argue there’s nothing to stop us going)

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We thought about waiting but our departure date is 20th Dec and they said we need to decide 14 days before departure…
New Italian rules are from 6th so cutting it super fine.

The super green pass in combo with all the other red tape (not to mention now the costly PCR’s on return) means even if we could go - the fun will have been sucked out of it sadly.

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Ok, I’d better get on the phone to Inghams (we’re also in Selva from the 20th) - we’re slightly luckier in that we only have a 16 year old to worry about, but even so …. But I’m assuming the regs will be published before they go live.

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12-15 year olds in UK can have 2nd jab 3 months after first. Ours had their nov 3rd so cervinia December 17 is out as won’t meet super green pass.
Appreciate super green pass not in until December 6th but seems pretty clear one jab will not satisfy.
At least means one less hurdle for Canada in April.

Again, I may be in denial here, but nothing I’ve read *actually* says they will increase the need to two jabs (that would take out of circulation a number of Italians who’d not yet got to the time span of having a second one, which might be seen as too negative). It’s phrased as dropping the regular testing option as a valid alternative.

But I agree - common sense suggests that’s the way it will go, particularly now with Omicron.

You know it makes sense.

Nothing wrong with being in denial, my better half is the same.
I did suggest (via text) we leave the kids with grandma…..awaiting update

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Sorry for those of you going over Christmas & New Year but today’s decision might just save half term. My boys’ recovery certificates will expire the week before our trip as they were positive in August so the second jab is great news.

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Definitely good news for half term. Will be some on the edge if you need to have had the jab 14 days before arrive but for those teenagers who had first jab in October should be fine.

We got two weeks in Whistler in April so lessens the Xmas blow - appreciate first world problems

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for what its worth and some of this will be invalid now we were in Cervinia 2 weekends ago, but hope it helps:

Daughter 17 - 1 dose of vax. Green Pass app showed as invalid using the 1 dose bar code from NHS app.
Green Pass uploaded my double vax barcode (the dose no 2 one) with no issues. [you need to crop the screen shot to just show the barcode only before upload].

Easyjet Luton bag drop or at gate - check Passport, and vaccine status on NHS app, F2F LFT test status on PDF. Sticker on back of passport was indication you could get on plane.

Nobody checked anything at arrival airport inbound except stamp passport

In resort - No Green pass check to collect lift passes, but you must buy online first.

To get on gondola go through a cordon - We used the fit to fly antigen test result for first day to get access to Gondola.
Big line to get through - everyone has green pass on phones. Occasional faffing with bits of paper.
In our case bit of paper from fit to fly test was accepted (they looked at the dates on it and let us in).

Masks on gondola. FFP2 supposed to be, but folks just using buff alot.

No issue going to Swiss side or getting around.

Town / Restaurants. Masks everywhere. Got a further LFT test in the pharmacy for 20EUR for rest of trip. That gave a bar code which we COULD load onto Green Pass, and it shows valid. Queues for testing (mostly of antivax lift workers it seems).

Every restaurant / bar was checking green pass to get in. But again you could wave bits of paper at them.

Flight home - Daughters Green pass expired 20mins before we arrived at airport to fly home. You need a negative test to get into airport. Big fuss about letting us through at bag drop, but in the end they gave us the bit of paper everyone else got to validate travel. At gate no further checking if you had magic bit of paper.

Restaurant in airport also flagged red as expired test. But let us in since was only just expired.

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So they have published the regs, and looks like it’s confirmed that two jabs are required. On the plus side, you can still access ski lifts and cable cars and your own hotel restaurant with just a regular green pass - but not other restaurants (but you can sit outside and eat).

These were the best articles I found (edge will translate it for you):

https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/super-green-pass-e-obbligo-vaccinale-ecco-novita-24-domande-e-risposte-AEM514y?refresh_ce=1.

https://www.lavoripubblici.it/news/decreto-legge-misure-urgenti-super-green-pass-consiglio-dei-ministri-27098

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Can you share the reference to access ski lifts and own hotel etc.
We have 13 and 15 one jab and would possibly still go December 17 to cervinia if can access lifts and our own hotel with standard green pass which would mean kids testing every 48 hours.

Think that’s how I understood what you said?

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IIRC both those links above when translated talk to both points (I finally found something MS Edge was good at - who knew! You can just right click and choose translate).

Here’s another one that summarises it in English:

https://italygreenpass.com/what-is-the-super-green-pass-for-holidays-in-italy/

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Thanks, I managed to use translate Which seemed to confirm the above. Better news than expected. Thanks

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Is it clear whether the Green Pass rather than the Super Green Pass is ok for airports?

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Hmm good point.
Seems entry into Italy is not green pass related but then into the issue of can you physically be in the airport due to green pass rules.

I would hope the negative test within 48 hours of landing would tick the box for basic green pass as you transit out to your location.

But not 100%

A snowboard instruction, cervinia local, just messaged to say currently the standard green pass is ok for accessing ski lifts but fears this won’t last long and will move to super green pass requirement.

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Have spent today reviewing a bunch of websites, and the regs themselves, I'm still bullish that the requirement to only have one jab to qualify for the super green pass (as it was before, for the now-basic green pass) remains. I guess we shall see when the next release of VerificaC19 gets released with the changes - though the regs have already gone live in the Venezia region as of yesterday.

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However … something else seems to have changed as my daughters 1/2 qr code which gave me a green tick last week, now gives a ‘non valida’ in the VerificaC19 app. I don’t think they’ve updated the app yet, so I’m not sure if something else has changed (I got her to generate a new copy in the nhs app, with same result). My own 2/2 continues to work.

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I wonder if they have implemented logic in the VerificaC19 app to age out the first jab based on date - my daughters was on Oct 5th, which is now 8 weeks ago. So while the green pass is valid from the first jab (+15 days) the expectation might be the user needs a second jab for it to continue to be valid (which of course would be sensible, and much closer in alignment to the EU Covid certificate).

Would also explain why some (me mainly) reported a pass , while others were rejected.

I was just emailed by the sued tirol tourist information website - www.suedtirol.info/en

They said that a single vaccination IS still good enough to get the super green pass... I have asked them if there is a link to the official Italian government guidance on this...

I have also asked if we can get a paper proof (printout from GP) converted into a QR code so making life simpler all round...

So holiday could be back on ... crikey what a bloody emotional rollercoaster this is turning out to be.

You know it makes sense.

So Ive done a 180, and now think that technically we won’t qualify for either green pass, but hope there’ll be enough latitude that presenting evidence of the one jab will be enough to get us into restaurants etc - I think as long as they have plausible deniability if they ever got pulled up on it, they’ll be happy to take our money. The change that we’ll now be on the path to getting the second jab in a few weeks helps with that.

I also emailed the hotel that our sc is an annex of, and they said as she’d have one jab she’d qualify and they’d be happy to serve us.

The one pain will be the Dolomites lift pass, as they’ve integrated it with the COVID app and needs reconfirming every morning- In the absence of a working qr code I presume we’d then have to go to a kiosk every day and get it over-ridden (or suck it up and get a test qr code every couple of days).

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Details are here:

https://www.dolomitisuperski.com/en/Plan-ski-holiday/Green%20Pass

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I have to say - the people at suedtirol.info have been amazingly responsive...

I have just had a couple more emails:

You can find the official information under the following link: https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/11/26/news/super_green_pass_domande_e_risposte-327932578/ (paywalled)

Il Green Pass che si riceve 15 giorni dopo la prima dose diventa anch'esso un Super Green Pass? Oppure è come quello che si ottiene presentando un tampone negativo? In sostanza, il Super Green Pass lo si ottiene dopo 15 giorni dalla prima dose oppure bisogna aspettare la seconda? (Gianni)
Con il nuovo decreto del governo si introduce una differenza tra un Green Pass "base", che si ottiene sottoponendosi a tampone molecolare o antigenico, e un Green Pass "rafforzato" (o "super") che si ottiene solo se si è vaccinati o guariti dal Covid. Il certificato viene generato automaticamente dalla Piattaforma nazionale DGC dopo 12 giorni dalla somministrazione della prima dose ed è valido dal 15esimo giorno dopo la prima dose fino alla data della seconda dose. Dopo la seconda dose ha validità di 9 mesi.

There is a lot of confusion about this new super greenpass..The super greenpass is valid starting from the 15th day after the first dosis and it’s valid until the second. After the second dosis it will be valid for 9 month.

And then:

You won’t be able to convert your paper document into an italian QR Code, if you need help because someone doesn’t accept it (shouldn’t happen but if..) you can tell them to call us or the local tourism board of the area where you will be. We will explain and answer all questions.

For the ski pass: if South Tyrol is declared white or yellow area there is no need of “super” green pass – only if it’s orange.

I hope I could help you in this information labyrinth

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Yes, the 15 days since the first jab was what is originally based my understanding on - however it’s completely at odds with the eu COVID certificate, so always seemed bizarre.

My belief now is that the green pass was always intended for double jabbed people, but they put that clause in to not disadvantage people at the start of the vaccine cycle - ie you would reap the pass benefits from the start - actually a very sensible and pragmatic approach. As far as I can tell, the new amendments for the super green pass don’t change that.

The vaccine cycle in Italy (for Pfizer at least) is three weeks, so I suspect they’ve coded the app to age out the first jab after a few weeks - explaining the odd behaviour of some of our 1/2 qr codes working (eg my kids for an initial period but not mine from March)

However, if that’s the intent there’s a good case to argue that our first jab will shortly be followed by a second, and therefore in the spirit of the law we should qualify. I hope everyone except the ‘computer says no’ types will have enough flexibility to accept that.

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Been told the “governor” of cervinia will announce in coming days if super green pass or basic green pass will be needed to access lifts.

For those with 12-15 kids, how are you checking QR code. We only have a crappy card from school?

Secondly, do they not still need to test every 48 hours with the basic green pass.

As someone said, far too stressful, should be looking forward and checking webcam every hour not this.

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Just had an email from Crystal about our holiday to selva on 20/12. They are now giving us until 12/12 to make a final decision.

Says they are keenly aware of the problem for teenagers not being able to access NHS travel pass (and all important QR code).

Reading between the lines - this suggests someone is busy trying to open the system up - but equally they warn not to trust other forms of evidence…

“ We're aware that the NHS Covid Pass is not currently showing proof of COVID vaccination or recovery for 12-15 years olds and they are working on a solution.

We're also aware that some destinations may accept other forms of proof. Unfortunately, we're unable to guarantee that these will be sufficient, so right now we're only recommending the NHS Covid Pass as proof of your COVID-19 status.”

At least with the extension , we live in hope plus we can see how the resort functions in the opening week with all the restrictions.

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Thanks for the update. My wife said the same “let’s see what happens on the ground from the 6th”

Will update if hear anything more.

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We're in the same (pre) teens going to Italy boat as all of you. To save duplication, I posted a reply from my MP in the taking teens skiing thread - https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?p=4867512#4867512

We're hoping to go over New Year and some of our trip-members are already twitching over the cancel button. The ideal scenario would be to have 1 jab or recent recovery from Covid accepted for whatever's needed and that status to be available in an app for each child. If the time in between jabs is brought down to 4 weeks, as is sort-of being suggested, and that's recorded in the app then we're all good to go. However, I don't see it necessarily panning-out like that...

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Been watching and reading this as we are also off to Italy on the 27th with 2 teens. One vaccinated with 1 jab and the other will be within 6 months of having covid (and has been unable to be vaccinated due to rules saying can only be vaccinated after 3 months of having covid).

This is on the gov website about travel to Italy.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/italy/coronavirus

In addition, a stronger requirement for a Super Green Pass is needed to access most hospitality and leisure facilities from 6 December until at least 15 January. A Super Green Pass certifies full vaccination or recovery.

People aged 12 and over, including minors aged 12-17, will not be able to obtain a Super Green Pass on the basis of a negative test. Children under the age of 12 are exempt from presenting a Super Green Pass.

Italy will accept the UK’s proof of COVID-19 recovery and vaccination record as the equivalent to a Super Green Pass as long as it is in the form of a verifiable digital QR code. Your NHS appointment card from vaccination centres is not designed to be used as proof of vaccination and should not be used to demonstrate your vaccine status.

Sounds like we wont be able to travel with them at all.

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I think need to see what happens on the 6th - suggestion the basic pass will be allowed for ski lifts but agree doesn’t look good.

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12-16 year olds - Italy rules?

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