 Poster: A snowHead
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Hi guys,
I have a problem with my ski boots. I’ve replaced 3 boots, and every boot fitter swears that after his fitting I’ll have no pain, but that’s not true.
My foot is 254-256 mm long, and width is 102mm.
A scan from Fischer app for approximated measures:
2 years ago I got a pair of Dalbello Panterra 120 ID 25/25.5) with a custom footbeds from a boot fitter that was recommended here in Morzine.
Photos of my custom footbeds.
I still have pain in my arch (both legs, left is worse), and I don’t know what to do.. what could be the problem? Maybe something with my blood vessels?
Photos where I got the pain:
Any advice/help will be appreciated!
Thanks in advance
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Maybe you could try getting a Golf Ball - and put it between the sole of your foot and the floor. Using a certain amount of weight, roll the Golf Ball around on the underside of your foot - especially along the arch. You will quickly feel if the muscles here are overly tight.
Work on any tight areas and see if this resolves the issue over time.
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| Old Fartbag wrote: |
Maybe you could try getting a Golf Ball - and put it between the sole of your foot and the floor. Using a certain amount of weight, roll the Golf Ball around on the underside of your foot - especially along the arch. You will quickly feel if the muscles here are overly tight.
Work on any tight areas and see if this resolves the issue over time. |
Thanks for the quick answer! Actually I have that ball, and I am doing it on a daily basis. I feel a pain in my both arches, don’t know if it’s because I have blood vessels there, or a tight tissue/muscle.
Oh and I forgot to mention that someone recommended me to ski without any footbeds and to see if it helps, and it helped, but still it’s very painful (especially in my left leg)
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Are you getting cramp?
How long have you been using a massage ball.....and is there any sign that it's helping? I think it's likely that you have tight spots along the arches...but I'm not an espert.
Is this a recent problem?
Maybe it's time to see a Podiatrist.
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Maybe it's time to see a Podiatrist.
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Possibly one that fits ski boots too  Just saying.
@beny992, Where abouts are you based ?
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Could be something with your technique… Maybe clenching your toes when the going gets harder…
I had a lot of pain when I was learning, and the first thing I did is going to a famous bootfitter who did make the boots… and it didn’t help.
Through a lot of practice and learning how to distribute weight and be more relaxed, the pain is gone (it does come back for the first half day of the season or after a long break).
And since then I rented all sorts of boots and it was fine without cool insoles or lifted heels or any other wizardry.
Sorry if this sounds like I am teaching, just sharing my experience (and I also had that ball, I doubt it helped)
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What kind of pain?
Looking at the footbeds, your arches seem quite flat?
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| Old Fartbag wrote: |
Are you getting cramp?
How long have you been using a massage ball.....and is there any sign that it's helping? I think it's likely that you have tight spots along the arches...but I'm not an espert.
Is this a recent problem?
Maybe it's time to see a Podiatrist. |
I doesn’t feel like a cramp..
It’s not helping me.. for a month maybe.. maybe I have a flat foot or something?
I’ll go to a Podiatrist to check what’s wrong with my foot 
| Mr.Egg wrote: |
What kind of pain?
Looking at the footbeds, your arches seem quite flat? |
It’s like stubbing, not a muscle pain or something like that. It feels like my foot between a vise with a knife on the arch side. I don’t know if my arch is flat.. did you see my foot photos? What do you think?
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@beny992, In which case, my suspicions are unlikely to be correct.
When I get issues (not skiing) it is due to cramp, triggered by pressure on the arch of my foot. It is down to muscle tension, which is corrected with a Golf Ball (usually in 4 or 5 days).
I think you may need a proper assessment.
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I am not a skier, I am not medically trained to know if your arches are flat or not. I do have my own feet issues - but I have high arches/cavus feet.
Only thing that eventually worked for me was custom liners. My guess is that if you have pain in the same place for 3 pairs of boots, then its lack of room somewhere. Maybe your feet swell when on the mountain - which could be blood pooling. You could try circulation stockings (they not very expensive & really thin) - Oh & i swapped my custom liners for a pair of remind liners.
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Lack of dorsifexion in the ankle &/or tight calf muscle can cause severe pain in the feet. CEM's the expert.
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It looks to me as if your foot photos show a lot of redness and swelling in your arch area. If that's not from you massaging the area then I'd definitely suggest you get it looked at.
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| spyderjon wrote: |
| Lack of dorsifexion in the ankle &/or tight calf muscle can cause severe pain in the feet. CEM's the expert. |
this what I was going to say - if your calves are tight something else has to give and if its the underside of your feet it can be very sore
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You know it makes sense.
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i am not a skier or a doctor. However from my experience
you have already changed three pair of boots...
a small possibility : all of the boots you have had are not the appropriate for you feets. Difficult but not impossible. I have an almost same problem with SNB boots
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your technik is wrong, or you have something really tight (muscles, tendons etc), or an imbalance.
The only whou could give an asnwer is a doctor specialised to these things.
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Your foot shape similar to mine. Wide with high instep. A bad combo! If shell is stretched wider then it will lose height...
A few ideas
1) try carbon superfeet. This take up less volume in the boot than a custom footbed. The fact that no footbed is improvement seems like a clue to me.
2) Tecnica do good range of high volume boots. These are pretty much only alpine boot I can get a good fit without major work
3) From scan you may need major punch on inside of boot itself? Usually boot plastic is thick here. Not east to modify... Though maybe something like Fischer vacuum boots would work? Fully moldable shell
4) You may have muscular issue with footarch (plantar fascitis).
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Poster: A snowHead
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I had very bad arch pain a few years back, I tried the ball thing still the same, the following year I changed boots and still the same, The next year I had the boots refitted with new footbeds still the same.
It was really getting me down, then one day i mentioned it to a guy in the hotel and he said are you sure your boots are not just done up too tight. I said I was sure they weren't, but he said well try it.
The next day as he suggested i did the two clips on top of the foot up as loose as I could without them opening. The upper 2 clips as usual. Too my surprise no pain at all.
Now I always start like this and then just tighten them slowly through the day If I get pain then just drop back one.
The issue may be my technique tensing my toes as mentioned above but this works for me, after 3 years of pain nothing for the last 8-10.
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Yes, I forgot to add the simple things like fastening the boots. in the beginning (when I had pain) I was religiously tying everything with a lot of enthusiasm.
Now I adopted this rule: the two bottom ones just need to be closed with a very small effort of the little finger, no more), and the other ones with just your index finger with some resistance - and of course the order of the fastening matters (that first you move your heel inside the heel of the boot as much as possible, and then faster the '3rd' clip from the bottom to fixate this. then you do the others.
Again, it all sounds very primitive and simple, but that is what helped me to solve the problem with foot pain with almost any boot (just needs to be the right width).
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High instep, wide forfeoot, 'crabbing' toes here. I suffered terribly with plantar fasciitis over the years but that manifested itself as pain under the heel and arch, not at the side as you indicate.
Mine was cured by bespoke orthotic insoles in all my footwear. And going up a half a size too. Absoute game changer.
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@beny992, I find that Sidas ultra thin ski socks take the pressure off my soles/arches, particularly if my feet are a bit swollen or the liners haven’t compressed
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so many people suggesting a product that will work for you .... news flash without a full assessment it is unlikely that anyone will know what will work for you
everything that you describe points towards a limitation in the ankle joint range of motion AND /OR a tightness in the plantar fascia
1st problem probably over 80% of boot fitters don't even assess ankle joint ROM
2nd problem the solution isn't as simple as throw a product at it
from the measurements you give i would guess that the boot you have may well be fine, it might need a bit of width in the midfoot, but the body is fighting with it, the only way to fix this is to have it properly assessed and then look into treating the root cause not just he symptoms, the footbeds you have may be too rigid for your foot but without assessment impossible to tell, the place you indicate the pain is more the medial side of the foot than the arch or does it radiate under the arch (might just be picture angles)
where are you based, if you are not near me i can probably recomend someone who does assess the foot properly
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| CEM wrote: |
so many people suggesting a product that will work for you .... news flash without a full assessment it is unlikely that anyone will know what will work for you
everything that you describe points towards a limitation in the ankle joint range of motion AND /OR a tightness in the plantar fascia
1st problem probably over 80% of boot fitters don't even assess ankle joint ROM
2nd problem the solution isn't as simple as throw a product at it
from the measurements you give i would guess that the boot you have may well be fine, it might need a bit of width in the midfoot, but the body is fighting with it, the only way to fix this is to have it properly assessed and then look into treating the root cause not just he symptoms, the footbeds you have may be too rigid for your foot but without assessment impossible to tell, the place you indicate the pain is more the medial side of the foot than the arch or does it radiate under the arch (might just be picture angles)
where are you based, if you are not near me i can probably recomend someone who does assess the foot properly |
Thank you so much for the detailed response.
I’m in Israel, we don’t have here boot fitter at all..
I made an appointment for a Podiatrist, hope he will asses what the problem is, but I’m not sure as he is not a boot fitter.. And I got some recommendations on boot fitter in Val D’isere, but they aren’t Podiatrists so I’m not sure they we asses my problem currently.
I do have a limited ankle join movement, I tested myself, I flex my ankle 11 cm from wall, which is not great, but how this affect my pain? I’m curious. I’m trying to improve that with a lot of stretching.
I feel the pain on the medial side and on my arch, and it sometimes radiate to all of my foot (like someone has put my foot between a vise and squeeze, but with a knife on the medial side).
Thanks again mate!
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Thanks, I’ll definitely try those!
@CEM Someone told me that maybe I’m pronating and my arch/medial foot is pushed against the shell. So maybe I need a footbed with more arch support?
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Not wanting to step on anyone's professional pride by giving a laymans view, but the bespoke insoles I was supplied by disability services (for that is how bad mine got, it threatened my mobility) were far remove from the superfeet things, they had lumps and bumps that felt so weird at first but quickly delivered comfort. It was amazing.
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Update:
So I went to a Podiatrist, she told me that i have “nice arch in relaxed position, nuvicular bone is in a collapse position”.
It’s called “flexible flatfoot”, she doesn’t think that’s the problem, but that’s my current footbeds are pushing against my nuvicular, so if insoles are made, carful not to lift the area but to allow space and the eleveation needs to come
from the heel only.
She thinks that I have imbalances in my body towards the right side, and I’m balanced more on my right foot because of that (that’s maybe why my right turns are worse than my left ones).
She advised me to go to a physician, so I made an appointment today, hope it will help.
What a mess
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I think that is what my (NHS provided) orthotic insoles do, they have a heel lift but everything from the arch forward is dead flat. Don't despair they can do clever stuff!
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