 Poster: A snowHead
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Just got a new pair of boards (Mantras) and binders (Griffons) and went through the customary ritual of increasing the DIN settings from where the shop set them to my usual setting. I haven't changed my setting in decades because I have yet to see why I should.....but I do wonder about it as I'm now 65. I am a lousy ex-racer skiing with good ex-racers, so speed is still definitely on the menu when conditions permit. I don't love how I'm putting this, but: I guess I feel like it is better to stay in and hurt my knee than to come out and hurt my head.
Curious what others who are similarly situated are doing/thinking.....thanks
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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IMV. It may depend on:
- Is your weight the same?
- Is your skill level the same?
- Is your general speed level and terrain the same?
- Is your fitness level//strength/bone density the same?
There are others more qualified than myself to give a better answer - but my thought would be that you will have lost a bit of strength, skill, fitness and flexibility - and thus should maybe dial back a little (depending on where it is set).
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I guess I feel like it is better to stay in and hurt my knee than to come out and hurt my head
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do you mean better to stay in and hurt your knee than to come out and hurt your feelings?
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The DIN charts show a reduction in DIN from age 50 because everyone above 50 is riddled with Osteoporosis....
Remember also that the DIN setting is primarily to reduce the likelihood of breaking a leg, rather than of screwing up the ligaments in your knee.
So you might want to reflect on how your bone health is...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Well, I had @spyderjon adjust my bindings for new boots a couple of years ago. I was a little upset when he informed me that my age meant a reduction in the binding setting. 
@Scooter in Seattle, You're a few years older than me, so maybe it would be wise to check the charts and set them appropriately.
The older we get, the longer it takes to heal.
Better a damaged ego than a broken leg.
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Personally,
- Is your weight the same? Yes
- Is your skill level the same? Yes
- Is your general speed level and terrain the same? Yes
- Is your fitness level//strength/bone density the same? Better/better/who knows (probably not worse, given priors)?
So I'm not adjusting mine, thanks.
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@under a new name, Are you comparing over a couple of years, or a few decades?
My answers would be:
Yes (same weight as at 25)
probably not
Yes
Not a chance in hell.
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@brianatab, since 50. But way better, fitter, skilful and faster than since 30 ...
@Old Fartbag, hmmm, I totally get your point, but (esp re max heart rate) I notice no decline in flexibility, suppleness, effective aerobic fitness ...
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| under a new name wrote: |
@Old Fartbag, hmmm, I totally get your point, but (esp re max heart rate) I notice no decline in flexibility, suppleness, effective aerobic fitness ... |
Unless this was all measured 30 years ago and now - it would be nearly impossible for you to really know, especially if you remain fit and active.
We start losing muscle mass and strength from mid 30s. Very specific weight training can certainly reduce the decline. We also have a reducing V02 Max.
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@under a new name, that's how I arrive at no change as well. The bone density comments are legit, and I'm going to choose to assume that since I keep the dairy industry going almost single-handedly that my bones will be sufficient for a few more years. My main concern is a release at high speed where it wasn't needed.
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| Scooter in Seattle wrote: |
| @under a new name, that's how I arrive at no change as well. The bone density comments are legit, and I'm going to choose to assume that since I keep the dairy industry going almost single-handedly that my bones will be sufficient for a few more years. My main concern is a release at high speed where it wasn't needed. |
You suffer from the same delusion as the rest of us - in our heads, we are still 30. 
Your body cannot sustain the same abuse as it did 35-40 years ago.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Old Fartbag, back? I (technically) broke mine at 26 and the surgeon said, well you can spend a week in bed and you'll have a mess when you're 50 or 6 months in bed and you might not ...
Last time it was MRI'ed, radiologist, "Good god what a mess!" Oh, yeah, that, eh? More exercise helps. And with recovery time. It's when you let things lapse that it become evident 
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Poster: A snowHead
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@under a new name, I ended up with a L3/L4 Fusion due to a herniated disc.
I spend a lot of time on Mobility/Flexibility/Myofascial Release and Strength & Cardio training....but I can't handle the level of training that I did in my 20s/30s. Damage to the back causes weaknesses/muscle imbalances elsewhere.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Seems strange to me. OP asked a question about what others thought. Then rejected every other opinion and thought out of hand. And is consistently adamant that we wont consider changing his DIN settings anyway. So why ask the question?
As a matter of medical fact, no matter the level of fitness, bone density and muscle mass will have deteriorated at 65 years of age. Claims of being a superhero aside, there is significantly increased risk of serious leg injury (including very nasty breaks) at this age. That is why recommended DIN settings fall with age - although the age 50 cut-off is a bit static.
In short @Scooter in Seattle, it is entirely up to you what level of risk you are willing to accept. But there is no getting away from the fact that the risk of serious injury caused by bindings not releasing is much higher than it was in your 30s.
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@zikomo, should one ski slower and not zip line bumps then?
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@zikomo, I'd say you're being a bit harsh. Check again, I haven't rejected anything--or claimed to be anything other than what I am, which is I think is helpful for those inclined to consider my question. I'm simply looking for compelling arguments that suggest I should move from the status quo. It has been noted that one is more brittle when older. This is beyond debate, and also somewhat beside the point; maybe I'm guilty of asking the wrong question. What I'm trying to tease out is: is the risk to that older, more brittle person higher from an undesired release (and presumed crash) or from staying in when they needed to release (to prevent a leg injury) My calculus thus far has been that I'd rather stay in. But if I were sure I was right, I wouldn't have asked.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Why does it matter what little number is showing on your bindings? I ski at 5.5 hardly ever throw a ski and know the instant that I've made a mistake and thus will eject.
Release bindings are engineered to protect, set them to optimise that protection and worry little about your mates perception of "your" little number!!
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Forgot to add I'm 61 next March......23rd 1st anniversary of lock-down one!
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I am amazed that nobody has mentioned their skis releasing in a potential fall situation. I would like to keep my skis on in a couloir! On piste - whatever
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@andy1234, exactly. Its about staying up when you're in good position but things are a little busy underfoot.
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| Rogerdodger wrote: |
Why does it matter what little number is showing on your bindings? I ski at 5.5 hardly ever throw a ski and know the instant that I've made a mistake and thus will eject.
Release bindings are engineered to protect, set them to optimise that protection and worry little about your mates perception of "your" little number!! |
Exactly this. 5.5 for me too, age 62 and 75kg. No need for willy waving on DIN numbers as no one knows what settings you have. But as ever, it’s personal choice, and I don't ski couloirs.
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In all honesty @telford_mike, You hit the nail on the head refering to DIN willy waving.
For the record I'm 5kgs heavier than your good self.
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@Rogerdodger, I'm the same age and weight, and @spyderjon says it should be 5.5, so it is.
Maybe, should it be a little higher off piste? I'm no expert, but wouldn't have thought more than 1/2 a setting.
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To me, it simply boils down to this:
Go to somebody knowledgeable (preferably who you trust) - like SpyderJon - give them your stats, including where and how you ski (and any other feedback you deem relevant).....Then take their advice. Simples. 
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On or off- piste I believe should make no difference. In my earlier comment I said about making a mistake. Generally in powder I tend to ski slightly too far forward and go over the handle bars, leaving a ski behind. As I say, that is a mistake and the binding has done its job releasing me.
Edit: next birthday is 2nd anniversary of lock-down one! Oh how time flies.......
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Just to be clear - I was pointing out that the risks of injury increase with age. The risk is higher for a 65 year old than a 30 year old, particularly when it comes to nasty bone breaks. This can be mitigated by a lower DIN release value. It is for each individual to decide what level of risk they are comfortable with. I have just turned 50 and while still able to ski as aggressively as ever, I have definitely slowed down a bit and much less likely to take on kickers. I ski the same terrain, including couloirs, but recognise that the risks are increasing so have naturally adjusted to that.
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