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Scotland updates and snow reports 2021-22

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Thanks, did wonder if it was the Cableways requirement. Glenshee had problems with Dof T delays when they applied for theirs.
If the chair had been operational it would have more than doubled their potential capacity and therefore possible ticket sales, although their staff costs would also have been higher too.
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Cliffhanger chair running at Glencoe today.
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Slight shame they haven’t got the new Rannoch Chair operational yet. I don’t think the chairs are on the cable yet. Anyone know the issue ?
Had heard it's involved the same consultants/process as the Cairngorm funicular - so scheduled for opening in December.... (December 2026 that is wink)
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@mountainaddict, .. and then, presumably, closing indefinitely early 2027, having consumed a huge amount of cash.
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Indeed fuzzydunlop! Laughing

That would be just after publishing a million pound masterplan to develop a luxury accommodation base village; 25 person gondola from bottom to top; heli-skiing operation; and a new gourmet dining experience at the summit. The said restaurant could be called Pie in The Sky Laughing
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mountainaddict wrote:
The said restaurant could be called Pie in The Sky Laughing


Actually good name for the Plateau Cafe since pies is about all the hot food it sells! Laughing
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restaurant could be called Pie in The Sky


Or possibly Fingers in the Pie in the Sky.
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a new gourmet dining experience at the summit. The said restaurant could be called Pie in The Sky Laughing


“After experiencing the new restaurant, head outside to take in the magnificent views from one of the highest points in the UK. Whatever you do, don’t think of going for a walk whilst up there, you must take the train back down!”

Still can’t get my head around the fact you can’t go for a walk at the top during the summer!


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Still can’t get my head around the fact you can go for a walk at the top during the summer!

There's no problem hiking to the summit from the valley level, but they don't want masses of footfall damaging the fragile "tundra" environment
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There was strong opposition to the funicular from environmental groups, who were concerned about damage to the mountain and its fragile soils and plants. The eventual compromise reached, after negotiations with Scottish Natural Heritage, allowed the Cairngorm Mountain Railway to be built, but with restrictions on its usage. Only those engaging in snow sports, or spectating, are allowed to exit from the top station. Other funicular users can visit the restaurant and visitor centre, but are currently restricted from leaving the building to start a walk.
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Cairngorm used to be good when I was a kid.

So disappointing now, I don't bother anymore and just head to Glenshee or Glencoe, at least they know what they are about in the winter.
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mountainaddict wrote:
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a new gourmet dining experience at the summit. The said restaurant could be called Pie in The Sky Laughing


Still can’t get my head around the fact you can go for a walk at the top during the summer!


Errr.... You can't! Sad
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GreenDay wrote:
Cairngorm used to be good when I was a kid.

So disappointing now, I don't bother anymore and just head to Glenshee or Glencoe, at least they know what they are about in the winter.


Why is it not good now?
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Ram80 wrote:
GreenDay wrote:
Cairngorm used to be good when I was a kid.

So disappointing now, I don't bother anymore and just head to Glenshee or Glencoe, at least they know what they are about in the winter.


Why is it not good now?


Because the funicular (which was built at a cost of over £26 million and came into operation in 2001 replacing the old two person chairlift on the Coire Cas side of the ski area) was closed in 2018 after just 17 years of operation due to structural problems, and has still not been repaired (repairs are in progress though at a cost of a further approx £20 million) and brought back into operation yet. Moreover the excellent skiing area on the other Coire na Ciste side has been deliberately run down, with removal of the chairlift from the Coire na Ciste side car park area.

What's more in these Covid times when it does come back into operation the funicular is worse from a social distancing viewpoint than chairlifts or drag lifts. Sad
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To add the above even before the funicular was declared goosed we’d already lost around half the mid-mountain uplift capacity. The whole situation with the Coire na Ciste and West Wall Chairlifts stinks, HIE got them ripped down in a hurry in autumn 2017.

By which time they knew the funicular was in trouble. Instead of urgently investigating ways to maintain non surface uplift to the upper mountain when the worst happened and the funicular had to be taken out of service, they made a choice to wield a gas axe. Why? To ensure the chairlifts that could have been overhauled to provide an alternative non surface route to the upper slopes were already gone before the Funicular failed. They were simply too detrimental to the case for fixing the Funicular, had they been repaired, HIE wouldn’t have had the urgency argument that we have to fix the Funicular as it would take to long to do something else. If the Ciste Chairs were back in operation, they’d have had to accept there was time to take a step back and review everything about the mountain.

Though there has been no urgency, even new lifts could have been put in within 18months to bypass the funicular if there was a will, but manipulating the situation to get the funicular fixed at any cost was all that mattered to HIE. What was done was malicious vandalism by an unaccountable out of control quango, for whom all that mattered was saving the funicular to cover their own backsides by ensuring no deeper questions were asked about the Funicular’s past and origins.

You really only need to know that the Chief Executive of HIE at the time of the Funicular projects inception was one Sir Fraser Morrison, Chair and CEO of the Funicular contractor Morrison Construction to get the gist of what went on. rolling eyes
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Whilst we are Cairngorm bashing they appear to have spent a lot of effort and I assume money on a lower beginners area. Various reports I’ve seen on touring sites have shown good snow cover in the upper mountain but seemingly no interest to open top lifts and runs at all???
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@Ram80, Basically what @Alastair Pink, and @haggishunter, said.

"When I were a lad" Very Happy we used to go to Glenshee all the time (couple of teachers were on the ski patrol there) and also weekends to Cairngorm - staying at Laganlia (which is an Edinburgh Council outdoors centre at Feshiebridge near Aviemore).

At that time, pre funicular, we skied all over the mountain, as Alastair mentions above the Coire na Ciste was popular and fun.

When they installed the railway, it was made clear that skiing was a secondary pursuit to getting day trippers up to "look at the view and buy coffee and cake". I confess to having done the same myself with the family a few years back and couldnt believe that we were only allowed to go outside the cafe and walk if part of an organised group.

While I understand that protecting the ecology is vital, its a wee bit rich for people who poured millions of tons of concrete in order to install a railway to preach to the likes of me.

Frankly, its not worth the bother now - Glencoe and Glenshee are easily within a day trip for me, and while Aviemore has great facilities and I have had many holidays in the area over the last 20 years or so.............all of them have been for MTB / Camping / Canoeing outside the winter season.

HIE have a hell of a lot to answer for.
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What haggishunter said is spot on, HIE are entirely and completely culpable. As well as the Morrison link the PM for that particular white elephant is also now the new CEO. They have absolutely killed the ski area and the knock on effect to the community should not be underestimated.
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Oh dear, the current snow situation in Scotland is a little bit heartbreaking when you consider the last two winters have been pretty great for snow but just ruined by Covid. I guess it's not super unusual to have no skiing in early/mid Jan but still a real shame.
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@Neil Neige, the first of those ‘last two winters’ (2019) was pretty crap in Scotland until mid-late Feb, so don’t give up hope just yet!
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Good point @Inboard. I remember Jan 2020 being pretty snowless, then the mountains were loaded with the stuff just as Covid started kicking in!
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