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Off Piste on Slalom Skis?

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GS and SL skis in c. 30cm powder:

http://youtube.com/v/Y7qCP0v2aZQ

And in 60cm powder:

http://youtube.com/v/9sW5TQ83C2w
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@snowdave, does help when the skier doesn't weigh upwards of 110kg though Laughing And has talent. Think I'll stick with my 106s Very Happy
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@SnoodlesMcFlude, yes, fair point! I was the cameraman and was on 65 in the top video, and I think 88 (my widest) for the bottom. Then again, unless I'm giving my 14-yr old a piggy back, I don't weight 110kg either Happy
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tangowaggon wrote:
It depends on how heavy the off piste is, if it is 30 cm of light snow on a firm base, any ski will be fine but if it is zombie snow that grabs at your legs as your skis sink down, a wider ski that reduces the sinking will be more enjoyable.

agreed
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SnoodlesMcFlude wrote:
@snowdave, does help when the skier doesn't weigh upwards of 110kg though Laughing And has talent. Think I'll stick with my 106s Very Happy


I was going to say that. My kids first skis were proper junior SL race skis (second hand from Ski Bartlett). They never raced and their instructor took them off piste a lot. They learned to ski powder on heavy stiff slalom skis which wasn't ideal but they were so light that they got away with it. Learning on those things was pretty good for their technique development!
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I remain mystified why BASI courses insist on the one ski to rule them all when clearly candidates could get higher performance on an appropriate offpiste biased ski. I guess it's still tied to some thinking that an instructor has to be ready to ski anywhere on the skis that they are on depnding on the needs of the students.


They don't, you can ski any ski you like for BASI courses. However, on most exams you will tackle multiple strands on any given day, so you are well-advised to use an all-rounder rather than a very specific ski. I'm not a skier, but as I understand it most people use a "light" GS type ski for the higher level exams.
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@stevomcd, Yep but presumably most places given the training terrain selected it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility to stash an off piste or all mountain pair at an appropriate rack for the appropriate strands. I can see why a trainer wouldn't want to indulge the faff though. Even though it effectively prevents candidates skiing at their best.
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@jedster, great way to learn for kids, hell of a lot more difficult for adult Laughing Kids pick things up so much easier it makes sense to give them a little 'at the deep end' but I suppose is an awkward balance. My nephew is Canadian and they didn't teach him with poles until he was about 9, so he's got decent balance, although does seem to have the slightly lazy style of his uncle too somehow
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SnoodlesMcFlude wrote:
@jedster, great way to learn for kids, hell of a lot more difficult for adult Laughing Kids pick things up so much easier it makes sense to give them a little 'at the deep end' but I suppose is an awkward balance. My nephew is Canadian and they didn't teach him with poles until he was about 9, so he's got decent balance, although does seem to have the slightly lazy style of his uncle too somehow


Yeah, they both (now 18 and 16) are naturally very centred and natural in their stances. Perhaps they had to be on those slalom skis to avoid going over the tips. Could just be they started skiing at 3/4 (lucky beggars!)

Real benefit of those skis is that they really quickly learned what setting high edges angles does for you!
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1 of these is mid-40s man on slalom skis, 1 mid-40s woman on hired piste skis & 1 70 year old woman on skier cross skis.
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@Gordyjh, I initially misread that as a 70 yr old woman on cross country skis! Impressive stuff.
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She is, but that might be beyond even her!

A point for each one you can identify from the descriptions!
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@stevomcd, Yep but presumably most places given the training terrain selected it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility to stash an off piste or all mountain pair at an appropriate rack for the appropriate strands. I can see why a trainer wouldn't want to indulge the faff though. Even though it effectively prevents candidates skiing at their best.


Sure, and it's not unknown for people to, e.g. grab their slalom skis at lunchtime if they know they're hitting bumps in the afternoon. Generally it's not worth the hassles though. It's pretty rare to have deep powder conditions on the exam. The "variables" is more often about making good turns in nasty crud, so wide skis are probably more of a hindrance than a help.

That said, it snowed heavily for most of the week when I passed my snowboard Tech exam. I was pretty close to switching to a more directional setup for the last day as it really was getting ridiculous. Genuinely pushing waist-deep ON the pistes. Bottomless (but heavy) off piste. I resisted the urge as I was pretty sure they were going to make us ride it switch. I was right. Very glad not to be trying to ride thigh-deep chop, at speed, in bad light on a board that wanted to be a submarine.

Actually said to the trainer in the debrief that I thought I'd blown it on the switch runs as I felt like I was barely staying upright. His reply was that a whole lot of people WEREN'T staying upright! Laughing
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@Gordyjh, in fairness, while it looks very nice, it's not very deep and looks very light ...
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@under a new name, it was over knee deep & beautiful overnight snow. Having met up the hill for breakfast, we saw the opportunity & went for it. Having got fat skis recently, I would agree they require less effort but you can have a lot of fun on race skis on any terrain. I have had some wonderful powder days on slalom skis both guided & unguided.
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@Gordyjh, looked lovely. I would have happily dived right in on my 203 SGs without thinking about it. Or indeed, any other pair of skis.
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@under a new name, Very Happy it’s all too easy to get hung up on “the right kit” when all you need is a big grin!
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@Gordyjh, never a truer word
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