 Poster: A snowHead
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I’ve just seen a short film clip of my skiing, which seems to support what I’ve suspected for a while, that an A Frame issue has developed!
It looks as though it’s left shin/leg on right hand turns.
I’m not sure why however, last season I moved onto new skis....longer and stiffer. 177 Atomic Redster G9’s. My older skis, Kneissl Black Stars 172, I’m unaware of there being an issue, or at least, possibly not so pronounced.
So, what are the best drills to help rectify this?
For context, I’ve about 50 weeks skiing under my belt, can carve (through the whole turn radius), am happy/confident on all piste terrains and conditions. Have a long standing (45 years) back problem (not severe), which might have an impact on some biomechanic movement.
Thanks 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Cacciatore, are you able to post the video clip?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Might seem like a rookie question, but what does 'A' Frame mean?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| queenie pretty please wrote: |
| Might seem like a rookie question, but what does 'A' Frame mean? |
When your shins aren't parallel, so your knees are markedly closer together than your feet.
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@rob@rar, thanks.
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| queenie pretty please wrote: |
| Might seem like a rookie question, but what does 'A' Frame mean? |
It's what happens if only the D/Hill knee angles inwards towards the U/Hill leg - so shins aren't parallel, thus forming an A shape.
Edit. Rob beat me to it, while I was trying to put it in a less long winded way....and Rob still gave a more simple explanation. 
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| @Cacciatore, are you able to post the video clip? |
It’s on someone else’s phone - will see what I can do.
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That’s really useful, thanks. One to try. 
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A quick update:
At the risk of creating any envy (  ), I’ve been out several times to ski and drill, as per the recommended clip (thanks, again). Thought it best to try and lock in the correction on my shorter skis. Whilst difficult to assess exactly whether things have improved, the drills provide a good feeling for the correct position.
Yesterday, I was lucky enough to ski with 3 local Austrians....a combination of ex-racer (in his younger days) ex-instructor and a local, born and brought up in the resort. What a blast. I took the new skis (Atomics) and all seems well. A big and literal thumbs up and general astonishment that I ‘only’ started skiing 19 years ago. The owner (and good friend) of one of the mountain huts is an ex-instructor...he said he thought I should become an instructor. Nice. Not sure about that, but I have, since being here, taken 2 absolute beginners to a level where they can competently ski reds and one person who’s gone from enduring to enjoying skiing.
Anyway, will stick with the drills to keep the bad habits at bay.
Stay safe and I look forward to when so many of you can get back doing what you all are passionate about....maybe even see some of you in our little corner of Austria.
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@Cacciatore, That is great - With that feedback, you must be doing something right!
IME. If you get the 2 skis working together, changing edges at the same time and by the same amount - you know it. It's like you've gone into 4 wheel drive and everything just works better...without the A Frame tripping you up between turns (very noticeable in bumps).
When Lady F got her alignment sorted, after skiing with an A Frame for 20 years, her skis went around the turn so much more quickly, she found the speed/sensation disconcerting and felt out of control. Half a day (and a lesson) later, when she figured out how to stay in control - her skiing instantly went up a notch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Cacciatore, I still find my legs drifting apart sometimes on high speed turns. I have been remembering my lessons with Claude and concentrating on actively engaging and steering my upper ski tip while doing pole holding drills. Someday I will be able to ski one legged on both edges
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You know it makes sense.
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@Old Fartbag, I think, in bumps, mid turn anyway, your legs shouldn't be far enough apart to allow any sort of "framing"
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I think a wide stance could be the culprit for a lot of A-framing. A result of trying to start a turn and finding your uphill leg forming a nice stable platform in the wrong place. It is impossible to A-frame when mincing about with your knees locked together.
https://www.wheretogoskiing.com/stance-how-wide-is-too-wide/
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Poster: A snowHead
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back in the day, a-framing was encouraged ...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| under a new name wrote: |
| back in the day, a-framing was encouraged ... |
knee angulation is still a legitimate technique isn't it? Appropriate in certain situations. It allows you to turn more sharply without pivoting at lower speeds than really allow committing to hip angulation. For example.
It seems to me that most techniques have their place in skiing if done intentionally in appropriate circumstances
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@jedster, I think you are probably right but very much with emphasis on "intentionally"!
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I always find that a good quality screw aids the work of a drill
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @Old Fartbag, I think, in bumps, mid turn anyway, your legs shouldn't be far enough apart to allow any sort of "framing" |
Years ago, in the early 80s, I had a lesson with a French Si Instructor, where he was telling me to use a quick inwards "stab" of the d/hill knee at the end of a short turn, to get the edge to bite and spring into the next turn. This caused a sudden A Frame, as it was only done with one ski.
I found back then, when skiing in bumps, the small gap between the skis was enough to allow a small A Frame (especially as I was totally concentrating on only angling the d/hill knee)....was enough to throw off the smooth initiation of the turn and trip me up.
So, I suppose I am talking about how things were taught back then - where all weight was on the turning ski; where only one knee was angling inwards and where the u/hill ski was purely an outrigger....and bringing that into into the bumps was not productive. It also didn't help, that the skis were 195 long when bringing them into the bumps.
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@Old Fartbag, "195"? what were you up to?
203 for slalom, 207 for GS.
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| under a new name wrote: |
@Old Fartbag, "195"? what were you up to?
203 for slalom, 207 for GS. |
I ended up with the longest length of the Salomon Force 9 3s, which was 203 (or was it 201?). Does that count?
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| Klamm Franzer wrote: |
I think a wide stance could be the culprit for a lot of A-framing. A result of trying to start a turn and finding your uphill leg forming a nice stable platform in the wrong place. It is impossible to A-frame when mincing about with your knees locked together.
https://www.wheretogoskiing.com/stance-how-wide-is-too-wide/ |
Interesting link.
Also impossible to A frame on a mono board...as demonstrated by a couple of instructors I saw the other day....clearly this is the way to go...
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| Cacciatore wrote: |
I’ve just seen a short film clip of my skiing, which seems to support what I’ve suspected for a while, that an A Frame issue has developed!
It looks as though it’s left shin/leg on right hand turns.
I’m not sure why however, last season I moved onto new skis....longer and stiffer. 177 Atomic Redster G9’s. My older skis, Kneissl Black Stars 172, I’m unaware of there being an issue, or at least, possibly not so pronounced.
So, what are the best drills to help rectify this?
For context, I’ve about 50 weeks skiing under my belt, can carve (through the whole turn radius), am happy/confident on all piste terrains and conditions. Have a long standing (45 years) back problem (not severe), which might have an impact on some biomechanic movement.
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Have you ever been taught the "indicator knee" technique? 
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