 Poster: A snowHead
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Question for @spyderjon or other techies... A friend wants to remove a Shift binding from some Faction Prodigy 2.0´s and replace them with a Marker Free Ten or Squire. Is this possible or will the drilled Shift holes cause problems?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| BobinCH wrote: |
| Question for @spyderjon or other techies... A friend wants to remove a Shift binding from some Faction Prodigy 2.0´s and replace them with a Marker Free Ten or Squire. Is this possible or will the drilled Shift holes cause problems? |
Is the boot sole length for the new binding the same as that for which the Shift was mounted? If not what are the two sole lengths in mm?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I had a season doing day tours with a snowboarder. He used snow shoes. He was a bit show on the up but super fast on the changeovers.
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| spyderjon wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
| Question for @spyderjon or other techies... A friend wants to remove a Shift binding from some Faction Prodigy 2.0´s and replace them with a Marker Free Ten or Squire. Is this possible or will the drilled Shift holes cause problems? |
Is the boot sole length for the new binding the same as that for which the Shift was mounted? If not what are the two sole lengths in mm? |
Yep same boots
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| BobinCH wrote: |
| spyderjon wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
| Question for @spyderjon or other techies... A friend wants to remove a Shift binding from some Faction Prodigy 2.0´s and replace them with a Marker Free Ten or Squire. Is this possible or will the drilled Shift holes cause problems? |
Is the boot sole length for the new binding the same as that for which the Shift was mounted? If not what are the two sole lengths in mm? |
Yep same boots |
The Markers don't work. I'd go with a Tyrolia/Head that'll work well and the rear toe locations of the new binding will reuse the mid toe locations of the Shift so less holes. Same with a Salomon Z series/Scott S series but you'll need to mount the base plate slightly rearward and then move the upper heel forward on the track.
Putting a low spec binding on a Prodigy 2.0 though is sacrilege!
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| spyderjon wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
| spyderjon wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
| Question for @spyderjon or other techies... A friend wants to remove a Shift binding from some Faction Prodigy 2.0´s and replace them with a Marker Free Ten or Squire. Is this possible or will the drilled Shift holes cause problems? |
Is the boot sole length for the new binding the same as that for which the Shift was mounted? If not what are the two sole lengths in mm? |
Yep same boots |
The Markers don't work. I'd go with a Tyrolia/Head that'll work well and the rear toe locations of the new binding will reuse the mid toe locations of the Shift so less holes. Same with a Salomon Z series/Scott S series but you'll need to mount the base plate slightly rearward and then move the upper heel forward on the track.
Putting a low spec binding on a Prodigy 2.0 though is sacrilege! |
Thanks for the advice! He’s a 12 year old kid on 171 Prodigy’s! His mum put the Shifts on but he doesn’t like them. They have some spare Free Tens and easy to get Squires here which are pretty light. What would you recommend?
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| BobinCH wrote: |
| ......What would you recommend? |
I made recommendations in my previous post. Tyrolia/Head or Salomon Z/Scott S series.
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Fwiw : my all time favourite touring binding is Dynafit TLT speedturn. Minimalistic perfection at 300g. But the lack of reliable release means I wouldn't recommend them for beginners nor a "one ski quiver". |
Have you any figures on injuries caused by Tech binding release. I don't think there is really an issue when ski touring but some people without a ski touring culture have a bit of a psychosis about it. They probably drive an SUV as well.
Research has shown that badly adjusted and maintained bindings of all types account for 30 to 50% of injuries. The toe on a TLT binding will release on rotation even if the initial release is at the back but not if the toe piece is locked out. You have to be careful about vertical release values.
The TLT has been used successfully for 30 years. Practically everyone in the French ski touring scene was using them while the Swiss were still clumping around in their Diamirs. People have skied off 8000 meter peaks using them. Skied couloirs that are near vertical. They have logged millions of km of vertical and honestly, there isn't really a problem. They are in general reliable.
I've never seen anyone in the mountains around Grenoble using Shifts, Kingpins or other. For me they are not really a touring binding due to weight, complexity etc. |
+1
I for one still use the '93 model of Dynafit's TLT as shown here: https://www.wildsnow.com/backcountry-skiing-history/binding-museum-backcountry-skiing/dynafit-tourlite-tech-1993/
Swapped the front base plate to accommodate modern crampons. Other than that, they are great.
Afaik there is some evidence that lateral heel release is somewhat easier on the ligaments but a little bit worse for the tibia.
There were some safety issues with ski brakes though, which took ages to iron out. In a nutshell: If you insist on ski brakes instead of leashes, you want to have to have a slider plate at the heel and probably the rotational toe piece as well. Although available I wouldn't recommend ski brakes for the TLT Speed model. If you want brakes, do yourself a favor and get the ST Rotation or at least the ST Radical.
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