 Poster: A snowHead
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@James77, +1
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Timberwolf, Actually, most of January would be handy. Let's say from the 8th onwards. Thank you.
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Looking at the current UK infection rates has got me nervous about the coming season, so I wondered what would happen if the French put us on the red list. From what I can tell, it makes sod all difference. If you're vaccinated, and your kids have a negative test, you can crack on. So unless something horrific happens in France, next season IS happening.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Timmycb5, 2-months until season gets under way properly - lots can change between now and then, no point worrying about it. May as well worry that the webcams look green still 
FWIW I do share your worry, but think season will go ahead as resorts want punters.
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@Boris, It's eased my worries if anything. The only thing stopping me on this basis is if France goes into full lockdown.
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@Timmycb5, I can't see France putting the UK on its red list unless there is the emergence of a new variant in the UK which spreads more easily than Delta. Making it more difficult for the unvaccinated to travel to France might be a more likely response to the continuing high levels of new infections in the UK, but it's difficult to see what more they could require of the unvaccinated over and above the current restrictions.
I think we are more likely to see restrictions return in the UK because of the high level of infections, perhaps starting with mask mandates, renewed focus on working from home, etc. But I think that's no different from what France already has.
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I am surprised that EU has remained quiet over UK infection rates just about topping 50k/day. New variant or not, I would have thought that the risk of importing extra cases in winter would be provoking some comments about UK travel.
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@colinstone, tho, for France at least, if you aren't double jabbed, you +/- can't come in. Can't do much more than that...
@Timmycb5, "if France goes into full lockdown" ... I think that is highly unlikely, almost no matter what happens. I know that round here the local economy would not withstand even just having the lifts shut.
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No one should be unvaccinated now, including children. Bring on my booster asap. Anyone who isn’t should face restrictions on what they can do. Unless a genuine, confirmed by a GP at least, medical reason, they are all nuts.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@twoodwar, eh? You mean my kids, who have have their lives put on hold for 18 months, largely for the benefit/protection of older people, should continue to have their liberties restricted whilst older people go back to normal? My kids are keen to be fully vaccinated, but this current government aren’t allowing them to be. Why should my kids be further punished for this?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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And news on R4 Today. New Delta variant in UK, now 7/8% of cases and slowly rising. 10-15% more transmissible.
Also detected in Denmark and reached 2% of cases before dropping back.
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@colinstone, it only seems to be more transmissible in the U.K.
I wild hazard a guess that this is linked to the current restrictions (or lack thereof) rather than a new rampant variant. Time will tell though.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Timmycb5, +lots
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@colinstone, but reading the epidemiologists and virologists I follow on Twitter, it's not considered to be a problem, so far. Borne out in Denmark it would seem. And wot, @Timmycb5, suggests.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I was actually listening to the radio early this morning and there seemed to be a definite concern about UK numbers, low uptake in Schools etc and now we have two weeks of half term and a possible increase in more in cases.
And a few people I know* are getting concerned (paranoid) about prospects for the season if things carry on unchecked as it were.
*frequent multi-trip skiers
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Timmycb5, I take it then they are at an age whereby they cannot yet get vaccinated? In which case my apologies. I was jumping to the fact that the uptake of the vaccine is way behind where it could be. I will restate to say that if offered the vaccine should be taken, for an obvious and necessary common good.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Weathercam wrote: |
| I was actually listening to the radio early this morning and there seemed to be a definite concern about UK numbers, low uptake in Schools etc and now we have two weeks of half term and a possible increase in more in cases. |
Surely half term is a good thing. Just before the kids were going back we were told it would get worse when the schools went back so surely them being closed is a good thing?
One of the reasons the UK gets flagged for all the variants is that we are doing the majority of profiling across the world so its highly likely we will spot new variants before other countries.
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On half term, it comes a little earlier up here and I took my son for his jag earlier in one of the mega centres.
Not coincidence that it was majority kids there (plus a few oldsters getting boosters and flu), clearly scheduled loads for the October week.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@twoodwar, yes. Apologies also if my reply was a little terse. Currently in the U.K. 16 and 17 year olds have been offered one jab. When they will receive their second jab is yet to be decided, and it is not possible book their second jab.
12-15 year olds have been (or are due to be) offered one jab only. There is no current plan to offer them a second jab. There is also the issue that even if 12-15 yos are given 2 jabs, they cannot access their records to prove this.
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Someone I work with daughter is 17 she has been told at a vaccination centre she can't have the second jab before she is 17 and 9 months....
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Morocco has announced a ban on fligths to or from the UK given our table-topping rate of infection currently plus rumours of a new variant. Not a top ski destination but how long until others follow suit? Why are we so bad at controlling this virus, seems we've just given up.
I have a ski booking in place for Jan but I'm worried where we'll be in 3 months. I don't understand the testing pre fligths process or costs, making little sense of Glasgow airport covid information and having chosen France to ski in but landing in Switzerland, feeling a 3 country round trip and whatever testing is required pre flying home is all going to be too much hassle/worry. As a 50+ diabetic I score high on the covid risk charts.
Tell me I'm overreacting! 
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Wed 20-10-21 16:42; edited 1 time in total
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Tell me I'm overreacting!
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Ask again when/if this ski season is scuppered with another lockdown. 
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About this time last year the second lockdown was announced. Let's see what 17:00 press conference brings
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@AL9000, Even people from countries on France's red list are allowed in without a compelling reason and without quarantine so long as they are double jabbed (or under 18 and travelling with double jabbed parents). If that remains in place, then I am 100% going regardless of what that oaf in Downing St says.
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Wed 20-10-21 17:22; edited 1 time in total
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@Timmycb5, The trouble is the potential spanner in the works is Macron.
He is desperate to appease parts of the population in advance of the Elections and having been slapped by the EU over retaliatory measures re fishing rights it will suit him to play hardball (again) with the UK, especially as he was deemed to be losing the vaccine race to the UK and now he can hit a home run!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Weathercam, yes, that would bug things up somewhat.
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You know it makes sense.
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Even if UK goes Red, fully vaxx'd can still enter. Flights via GVA might be an issue, and as @Weathercam says Macron might see an easy win here.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@colinstone, duh, sorry. I meant quarantine. Will fix now
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| If that remains in place, then I am 100% going regardless of what that oaf in Downing St says. |
Convoy? 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Klammertime, We have been testing far more than other EU countries; 325 million so far compared to 150 million for France, 100 million for Italy and 75 million for Germany. Given you need a PCR to travel to Morocco, I would surmise far more Moroccans will suffer from the economic impacts (lack of tourism etc) than from imported UK covid.
Other EU countries started vaccinating two months later than us...let's see how they are doing in December/January when their six month timetables come up. That might be more of a threat to the ski season than what is happening in the UK.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@snowhound I can see how infection figures may be skewed by differing test rates, but how does that affect the disparity in hospital cases and deaths? And although the EU vaccination program was slow to start, I thought it was now generally slightly ahead of the UK? Maybe I've been taken in by all the pro-EU propaganda in the press...
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| snowhound wrote: |
Other EU countries started vaccinating two months later than us...let's see how they are doing in December/January when their six month timetables come up. That might be more of a threat to the ski season than what is happening in the UK. |
Agreed, and in terms of skiing it's less about what's happening now but what's happening in 6 weeks time. And a lot can change in that time. In last winters spike we hit the same number of daily cases as we have now (40k) on 1st Jan, hit the peak on 10th Jan (55k cases) and a month later cases were in freefall around 13k cases daily. Obviously things are quite a bit different, and various lockdowns contributed to those numbers dropping, but also conversely deaths don't appear to be spiking. I hope that we get through any spike before Christmas and numbers start to drop - then it'll come down to what's happening in Europe. Obviously I have no idea and it all might play out very differently.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| If that remains in place, then I am 100% going regardless of what that oaf in Downing St says. |
Convoy? |
why not!
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@caughtanedge, @Handy Turnip, My testing numbers were to try and give context to comparisons between numbers testing positive.
Re. deaths...waning immunity? When it comes to deaths, it is all about when the elderly were vaccinated not how many of the population have been vaccinated overall, given the very low chance of death (if healthy) below 60. And we started vaccinating our elderly a couple of months before the EU. So our 6 month window is coming now, theirs in Dec/Jan-and their death rates might well start increasing at that time unless they crack on with boosters-unlike the UK who seem to have faffed around.
Last edited by You'll need to Register first of course. on Wed 20-10-21 17:58; edited 1 time in total
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Controversial point but if France does make it difficult to enter then the English amongst us only have their self to blame. Having traveled from Edinburgh to the alps last week it was blatantly obvious that the seriousness of Covid is list on most of the population in England, we went from an environment where masks are still worn routinely even without requirement to the same in France via England where masks are very very rarely seen even in busy indoor situations.
And before anyone points out Scottish numbers, that due to a incompetent government not social obedience
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| colinstone wrote: |
And news on R4 Today. New Delta variant in UK, now 7/8% of cases and slowly rising. 10-15% more transmissible.
Also detected in Denmark and reached 2% of cases before dropping back. |
Danish health authorities do not consider this variant a threat, and have registered nothing that suggest it is more lethal or people get more sick from it.
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@Jonny996, Masks are more about sending social signals rather than having any significant impact on transmission-at least the way most people wear scruffy bits of cloth. Might as well wear a cap which says 'BEWARE OF COVID'. No correlation between how well countries are doing, and mask wearing. For every France, there is a Denmark.
But that risks thread drift so will shut up now.
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| Oleski wrote: |
| About this time last year the second lockdown was announced. Let's see what 17:00 press conference brings |
It brought zilch, nothing. "We're going to give you boosters and please tell everyone who isn't already to get vaccinated". There was nothing new to report, that was old news. All I can assume the purpose of the presser was to give people a heads up on what's likely coming next, ease us back into some restrictions in winter.
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