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Good reason not to use pole straps off-piste......

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About 1m in he says it took him 10 seconds to deploy his airbag because he still had the poles attached, possibly he may have stayed on the surface had it not been for that, who knows?
He said he didn't lose his poles that day, but the same evening he cut off the straps!

Pretty sure this vid's been posted before btw!

https://www.facebook.com/Mickaelbimboesfreerider/videos/485336545772664/
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@KenX, I thought off-piste poles didn't have staps
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@johnE, They do but I take mine off. Some have pressure releases but that is not any different from a single bit of velcro which would do the same.
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johnE wrote:
KenX, I thought off-piste poles didn't have staps

There are special poles for off-piste?
Well, i never knew that . . .
All these years i've been using the wrong poles - no wonder i'm rubbish off-piste Toofy Grin
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That was an epic slide.

Straps on poles are for children.
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Strapless grips, better in all respects!
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Straps on the up, el la Nordic style. Leave off for the down.
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@KenX, remember years ago and pretty much the first time I went off piste, Scarpa (the Avalanche Poodle himself) explained to me that having pole straps could lead you to be trapped, so I don't think I've ever skied off piste with the straps around my wrist.
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@KenX,
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possibly he may have stayed on the surface had it not been for that, who knows?

Looked to me like he actually was on the surface and then got buried by a second slide. In which case an airbag won't help at all.
Definitely no straps for me. They either get you trapped or break your wrist or both!
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They’re lethal in the trees!
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Well, maybe not “lethal “ per se, but ......
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I use straps on the up when touring some of the time, especially on steep icy traverses, as I've seen a fair few poles disappear with people falling etc can also help to use when the climb gets tricky, as ever it's a compromise.
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Definitely not good in the trees. I have had one snatched away when tree skiing a few times. It is better to have the minor inconvenience of fetching a pole back compared to a dislocated shoulder!
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After my wife did some severe damage to her thumb in a simple fall on piste, the specialist (who is a keen skier) treating her told her not to use straps. Aparantly there are enough similar incidents to give it a (not very original) 'name'. Skiers thumb.
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I've not used pole straps since I wiped out and fell onto a pole handle - severely bruising a rib. I was in agony for weeks. Lesson learned rolling eyes
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ringingmaster wrote:
After my wife did some severe damage to her thumb in a simple fall on piste, the specialist (who is a keen skier) treating her told her not to use straps. Aparantly there are enough similar incidents to give it a (not very original) 'name'. Skiers thumb.

You get skiers thumb if you've not got your hand through the strap correctly.
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Is this the new helmet debate?
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Just sharing info and experience.
Another pole strap point I was given involves self arrest technique.
To be able to use the pole end like an ice axe to drag / drive the tip into the surface you need both hands above the basket. This is not possible if you have the straps on your wrists.

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Can anybody explain what is going on at the end of the video?

They say they pranked him and that it was polystyrene?!

Have I missed something.
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@Dynosoar, I've had to do that myself. About the only time I use straps these days is for long tours.
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Yes, I have had to do that as well when taken out by another chap on an icy stretch. It works quite well but it is surprising how much force you need to put into it.
I never use the straps actually. They are only still on my poles to allow them to be hung up

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My GP warned me years ago: neverever use the straps. Piste or offpiste.
‘Skiers Thumb’ can be a very serious issue. And it happens very very often.
In his words “your thumb is too important. Just walk to collect your poles. Or don’t lose them” Toofy Grin
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@Langerzug, sounds like your GP didn’t know much about pole plants Toofy Grin
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skier's thumb was a classic Dendix injury. I've also had my pole get stuck in the snow while poling along, leading to it wedging into a most inconvenient location as I travelled forwards...
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@Arno, sound like you think that your pole plants are more important than your thumbs Toofy Grin
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I’ve done a lot more pole plants than I’ve had injuries due to using straps
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Cut my straps off for last 20yrs. Initially while doing off piste but then realized what a waste of time constanly on off on, tying up your skis every stop. See how much time is wasted next group ski.
Admitedlly they are good when first learning to swing them for and back and get a rhythm going, otherwise cut em off, free yourself and ski more.
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Scott swordgrips FTW if you find the vintage poles.

Bumps you defo should use leverage plus it's a PITA hiking back up a steep mogul field.
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Dynosoar wrote:
Just sharing info and experience.
Another pole strap point I was given involves self arrest technique.
To be able to use the pole end like an ice axe to drag / drive the tip into the surface you need both hands above the basket. This is not possible if you have the straps on your wrists.

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It is also not possible to perform this manoeuvre if you have lost your poles due to not having you wrists through the straps. Just sayin ....
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I never use straps.
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There used to be a long debate about using straps on ice axes, the normal ones used for walking, not those beasts used for front pointing. The problem being the hassle of changing hand and hence strap while zigzagging up a steep slope versus the very serious problem of dropping it. I think the consensus now is to make sure you never drop the axe.
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I don’t typically use the straps but have been doing a bit more touring recently and they seem to help for the up
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Straps are handy for hanging my poles up in the ski cellar Laughing
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@BobinCH, as I said earlier, if you tour then straps have their place, and this morning was thinking exactly that when I did not have my straps on and stupidly dropped the pole.

And I have no doubt that they help you on the climb, but also if you find yourself on a long flat run out and have to resort to skating, then not only increase the pole length but you'll find as in XC straps help enormously!
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I haven't used straps while skiing on or off piste for years, but I haven't cut them off. They are quite handy after all for hanging the poles up when not in use. Bruce Tremper has a picture in his book, Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain, of his poles without straps. Apparently avalanche professionals in his area are not allowed to use poles with straps.

Having survived a massive head plant in deep snow (don't ask) without straps, I would not want to be in that situation with my hands or arms restricted by pole straps.
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I can’t imagine a long touring ascent without pole straps to push on. If it feels so sketchy on the way up that I shouldn’t be using straps it’s probably time to turn around at that point.
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The first time I went off piste 20 + yrs ago the instructor was quite clear that we all had to take out straps off our wrists. I therefore have religiously followed this advice ever since. However skiing with an Italian guide a couple of years ago I was berated for not using them. When told him that I had been told not to by another guide he dismissed my comment with the words "must have been French!" He was right about that but still the only time I use them is if I am on a long skate.
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Used Leki trigger straps for the first and last time in Val thorens two years ago.... An innocuous fall on piste, put my left arm out,trigger grip didn’t release and twisting caused by pole trapped under body contributed to Brocken wrist.... No straps for me in future would rather lose the pole....
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ringingmaster wrote:
After my wife did some severe damage to her thumb in a simple fall on piste, the specialist (who is a keen skier) treating her told her not to use straps. Aparantly there are enough similar incidents to give it a (not very original) 'name'. Skiers thumb.


Is this not a result of using straps in the wrong way, ie not feeding them up the palm but instead running them across the top of the hand. A very common error.

Regards to OP, no straps on off piste descents for me.
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I’ve rarely used pole straps for years. I used to put them on automatically as I skied or skated from the top of a lift. Then I realised it was safer not to use them off piste (trees, avalanche) and wanted to unlearn the habit. Now I don’t use them on piste either. I don’t find that it effects my pole plants much - I find I can synchronise gripping the pole harder as I plant and get almost as much support as I would have from the strap. I do sometimes put them on for long skates or skinning on neve
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