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Yet another carving question

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Hi all,

Fairly new to the forum although I have been somewhat lurking for a while...

I've been trying to better my parallel skiing ability lately in the comfort, safety, but most of all "only possible option given current circumstances"-ness of the indoor slopes of the UK. That being said, I've been trying as best as I can, given current circumstances, to learn the basics of carving.

I think I'm starting to get the gist of it, with tilting/leaning down the hill into each turn early, using both edges etc, but I just had a couple of questions that I wouldn't mind a bit of feedback on:

- Is it good practice to lift the uphill ski slightly to obtain good edge angle and force more pressure onto the downhill ski or should I be trying to focus a lot more on balancing pressure across both?
- Is there value in practising the "ski with 1 ski down" approach? I'm nervous to try this in the indoor centres

Sorry if this topic seems a bit basic/stupid but would appreciate any feedback/tips etc. I'm basically trying to get as practised as possible before we're eventually released back into the world on real mountains!
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http://youtube.com/v/UGn62uxnhjg

Darren Turner's video, Carving 6.2 (as per link) is the clearest and best summary I've seen and would be my "go to" guide for developing carving skills.

The techniques and process he demonstrates lend themselves to being practised on an indoor slope. I haven't seen you ski so I can't really comment on whether any individual "drills" will help you or cause distraction.
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So not a question about the correct way to carve the Christmas bird? Disappointing at this time of year and especially now when there will be less skiing happening and more at home activities.

Please amend the title to make this clear to avoid disappointed posters rushing to share their carvers top tips.
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Is there value in practising the "ski with 1 ski down


If you do it right, it can be a quick way to get the feel of a pure carve turn. Key is to pressure the ski tips before adding edge angle.
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FWIW. This is my view:

- Early lifting the tail of the d/hill ski prior to turning, is a great drill. When that feeling has been ingrained into your skiing, then I would not lift the ski, but greatly lighten the pressure on it. It should have just enough pressure on it to stop it wobbling about and carve along the weighted one. It should change edges at the same time and by the same amount as the weighted ski.

If you can't get rid of an A Frame - check alignment.

- I would leave exercises on 1 ski until you are more comfortable with Carving.
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I would leave exercises on 1 ski until you are more comfortable with Carving.


It’s more fun to watch though Madeye-Smiley
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I would leave exercises on 1 ski until you are more comfortable with Carving.


It’s more fun to watch though Madeye-Smiley

I've been practicing this Toofy Grin


http://youtube.com/v/e8S6nHmk-dg
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Which dome are you at?

I learnt to carve indoors, I didn’t do many drills then though to be honest, but I have starting incorporating more now as I’m trying to further improve my performance and give myself new challenges.

What worked for me initially was becoming more dynamic (really exaggerated), improving body positioning and upgrading my skis.

I ski first thing in the morning then examine my tracks on the lift back up which of course gives you immediate feedback on your turns.

As in the video, J and rollerblade turns on the shallow section of slope are a good starting point for finding the edges.

With regards to one ski drills I think the stork drill is easiest, lifting the inside ski but leaving the tip on the snow, then changing skis in transition before the new turn. This can be made more difficult by holding poles in front, taking poles away, lifting the whole ski and progressing to javelin turns.
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taking poles away


By far the best way IMHO. More natural, more freedom; better balance and agility. Be the ski Cool

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Thanks for all the replies everyone, really helpful and now I can't wait to get back! Apologies for the lack of poultry related questions.

I mostly go to HH - I was thinking of trying some of the slower/J and rollerblade stuff near the bottom but most of the time I go lately they've had a roller so I don't really want to be messing about too much downhill of a landing zone.

In terms of removing the poles - this was actually how I learned to ski in the first place so that could definitely be a good shout to pick back up again.

I think the penultimate point in that video was really helpful - "try not to draw such a line between carving and everything else", feels a lot more like what I've been doing i.e. getting lots of pressure on the edge of the downhill ski.

Does speed help at the very early/learning stages? I've seen one guy often at Hemel who absolutely shoots down the first bit of the hill (skates first to pick up speed too) then goes into quite an aggressive stance and does just a couple of nice big smooth turns, but I can't tell if maybe he's just practising racing?
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javindo wrote:


Does speed help at the very early/learning stages? I've seen one guy often at Hemel who absolutely shoots down the first bit of the hill (skates first to pick up speed too) then goes into quite an aggressive stance and does just a couple of nice big smooth turns, but I can't tell if maybe he's just practising racing?

IMV. Going more slowly, highlights problems in a way that going fast doesn't. In fact, going fast can cover them up.
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I just wondered if you were at MK I might have seen you.

When carving I usually point straight for a couple of metres before rolling onto edges but lots of speed isn’t necessary. ~5 long turns top to bottom for me on slalom skis.

With regards to drills they are often more difficult done slowly as any balance issues are more obvious. There’s lots of videos on YouTube of racers practising slow and deliberate turns so I think it is a useful thing to do. I‘ve started working on slow speed short turns, I feel I am aware of exactly how I am moving and steering the skis. I think it can be helpful in this way to refine movements before building it back up again.
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Does speed help at the very early/learning stages?


Don’t know, but eyes closed certainly does. Try it - it’s a whole new world.

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javindo wrote:
Does speed help at the very early/learning stages? I've seen one guy often at Hemel who absolutely shoots down the first bit of the hill (skates first to pick up speed too) then goes into quite an aggressive stance and does just a couple of nice big smooth turns, but I can't tell if maybe he's just practising racing?
I don't advocate straightening the top section to pick up speed and then making your first turn. I think it is a much better discipline to start turning immediately. That way you start to link your turns from the top of the slope, allowing you to balance against the G-forces you are creating by turning and tip your skis over on to their edges as soon as you start the run. You'll also have to cope with relatively low levels of momentum and G-force in your first couple of turns, which will challenge your balance and precision of movements slightly more than when you have the benefit of speed. It also means you'll get more turns and more transitions in on a very short slope.

I think I know the guy you are referring to who skates the top section of the slope and then makes a small number of long radius turns. If it is who I think it is he's not someone you should seek to emulate.
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AL9000 wrote:
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Does speed help at the very early/learning stages?


Don’t know, but eyes closed certainly does. Try it - it’s a whole new world.

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When I've skied with my eyes closed there's been an absence of Zen-like calm Laughing
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If it is who I think it is he's not someone you should seek to emulate.


Does the name rhyme with BoldSlugga? snowHead
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rob@rar wrote:
AL9000 wrote:
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Does speed help at the very early/learning stages?


Don’t know, but eyes closed certainly does. Try it - it’s a whole new world.

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When I've skied with my eyes closed there's been an absence of Zen-like calm Laughing



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AL9000 wrote:
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If it is who I think it is he's not someone you should seek to emulate.


Does the name rhyme with BoldSlugga? snowHead
I don't think so, in fact I don't think I can rhyme anything with BoldSlugga!
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@rob@rar, awdbugga Laughing
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AL9000 wrote:
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Eyes-closed transceiver-searching was much more Zen Very Happy

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@rob@rar, awdbugga Laughing
Ah, gotya. No, nobody on snowHeads.
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@rob@rar, eyes-closed ski jacket shopping too by the looks of it. What’s that, Gang-Green?



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@rob@rar, eyes-closed ski jacket shopping too by the looks of it. What’s that, Gang-Green?



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That's not me, it was my avalanche buddy. All her own choice of colours...
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@rob@rar, Yikes Embarassed
I’m sure I’ve seen you in that hat before.
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@rob@rar, Yikes Embarassed
I’m sure I’ve seen you in that hat before.
Nah, the only crocheted headwear I have is a headband with a polar bear on it. The hat that Julia was wearing is very lovely but I just don't think I could carry it off.

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@rob@rar, Much nicer jacket.
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Laughing @AL9000,
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@rob@rar, Don’t tell Julia. Embarassed
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@javindo, the guy you refer to at Hemel has awful form and is an odd ball. My advice is to avert your gaze when he is skiing. His technique couldn't be any worse, he isn't an instructor, but is always happy to give "tips" to people. Avoid at all costs Very Happy
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If you can book a private lesson there at the moment then that could help and give you ways to practise when ever you are skiing
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pieman666 wrote:
If you can book a private lesson there at the moment then that could help and give you ways to practise when ever you are skiing
The Snow Centre at Hemel is currently closed, and will re-open when Tier 4 restrictions are lifted.
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Thanks for all the tips and advice everyone! Getting itchy feet now to get back to it.

It also feels like something of a snowHeads rite of passage/an honour to have my first thread going slightly off topic/derailing, but will be sure to give the zen skiing a try snowHead
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It also feels like something of a snowHeads rite of passage/an honour to have my first thread going slightly off topic/derailing,
Laughing All the best threads develop a life of their own...
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Last year I was skiing at one of the local resorts and saw a local ski team of teenagers, practicing on the steepest black run. Two of the girls were not just lifting one ski in the air - they actually ONLY HAD ONE SKI on Smile Watched them for a while, they would go up on the t-bar and come down the black slope several times, with just one ski on, the other boot in the air. So it's quite funny for me now when I see this youtube tutorials, where the instructor is making a big deal of how he lifts one leg for a few seconds, when these kids were skiing on one ski for several runs in a row Very Happy
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@boyanr, Perhaps they could only afford one pair of skis between two of them.

Many, many years ago I was skiing in Bansko. We had left the village and got a lift upto the ski area where a man was renting skis from the back of a van. He made a big deal on how he had a matched pair of the same length for me.
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Old Fartbag wrote:
FWIW. This is my view:

- Early lifting the tail of the d/hill ski prior to turning, is a great drill. When that feeling has been ingrained into your skiing, then I would not lift the ski, but greatly lighten the pressure on it. It should have just enough pressure on it to stop it wobbling about and carve along the weighted one. It should change edges at the same time and by the same amount as the weighted ski.

If you can't get rid of an A Frame - check alignment.

- I would leave exercises on 1 ski until you are more comfortable with Carving.


Good points on top but I see you are a typical victim of the old wive's tale that an A frame is due to faulty boot alignment which is almost, probably never, true. An A frame has nothing to do with boot alignment and everything to do with shin alignment. To blame it on the boot would suggest that an A framing skier is equally tipping their skis which is never the case. The only way it could be the boot is if a skier cannot obtain both equally tipped skis and parallel shafts.
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Twitch wrote:

Good points on top but I see you are a typical victim of the old wive's tale that an A frame is due to faulty boot alignment which is almost, probably never, true. An A frame has nothing to do with boot alignment and everything to do with shin alignment. To blame it on the boot would suggest that an A framing skier is equally tipping their skis which is never the case. The only way it could be the boot is if a skier cannot obtain both equally tipped skis and parallel shafts.

In the case of being Female - Lady F couldn't get rid of A Frame until alignment was sorted, which made a huge difference.

In the case of being Male, you could be right.....but I would like conformation from CEM, who offers it as a service: https://www.solutions4feet.com/services/skier-alignment
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A-framing is under-over rated.
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I joined Austrian ski school for a week some 30+ years ago and spent a morning skiing one run with only a left ski, then up the t-bar and swap to the right ski. It was character building and not too bad after a couple of goes when you realised you weren't going to die. It was good to get both back on though!
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