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Andy Lockerbie leaves BASI as CEO "After discussions with the Board lasting several months, Andrew Lockerbie decided to step down from his role as CEO and as a Director of BASI and left his position on the 16th September 2019"
Doesn't exactly sound amicable and no communication from Lockerbie himself.. any comments?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Doesn't seem to be a healthy organisation at the highest levels.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@rob@rar, you hired him 
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Interesting move though right at Brexit time. Just what the organisation needs right now, CEO replaced with two part timer CEO's who are qualified to do the job cause they happen to be examiners and know the staff in the office...
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Dear Member,
On behalf of the Board I am writing to inform you of some changes within the BASI Management team. After discussions with the Board lasting several months, Andrew Lockerbie decided to step down from his role as CEO and as a Director of BASI and left his position on the 16th September 2019. Andrew has worked tirelessly to help BASI over many years, built and led a close knit team in the office and leaves with our thanks and appreciation for all that he has done in this time.
In the short term, rather than replacing Andrew with a permanent like for like option, the Board voted to use this moment as an opportunity to review many aspects of our overall operations and strategy. As you are no doubt aware, we are all experiencing a period of rapid political and environmental change, so we will be working over the coming months to ensure that BASI is set up for continued success in the years to come & sufficiently resilient to meet whatever challenges we may face. We will of course communicate the result of this once the work is complete.
To support this work and also to ensure Andrew’s work does not lose momentum, Jas Bruce and Kevin Edwards have been asked to join the management team and work on behalf of the Board on a short-term, part-time basis. Both Jas and Kevin are full time trainers in Alpine and Snowboard disciplines respectively, known to those in the office and already familiar with many of our operations. This will enable them to adapt quickly to their new areas of focus and, with the support of the Board and their management team colleagues, will ensure minimal impact to members and the service levels they expect from the organisation.
Once again, on behalf of the Board, I’d like to thank Andrew for his commitment and hard work over the years and congratulate Jas and Kev on their new temporary assignment. If any member has any questions, please feel free to contact me or any of the Board directly.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Doesn't seem to be a healthy organisation at the highest levels. |
Sounds familiar.
UK Plc 
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Doesn't seem to be a healthy organisation at the highest levels. |
IMHO : BASI (fundamentally a very small organisation) get a lot of unjustified criticism.
In this case however they haven't really helped themselves.
An open ended members email implying some kind of disagreement can only result in internet bulletin board speculation.
Most members would appreciate some kind of reason / corporate explanation - rather than being left to join the dots.
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@Haggis_Trap, hmmm unjust criticism... You won't get an explanation as most likely yet another NDA / Compromise agreement that will have cost the company / membership cash and no one will be the wiser.. Not exactly an unusual occurrence as I can remember Sean Langmuir, Ross Green, Vittorio Caffi, Stephen Burke, Fergus Waters and now Andy Lockerbie all got the boot / resigned in the last 10 years or so. Then there was the NDA with Simon Butler and I can't even count the number of members who went to the trouble of running for office as Directors then resigned before their terms were up. Phil Brown, Andy Dobson, Ian Linklater, Birchy etc.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| Not exactly an unusual occurrence as I can remember Sean Langmuir, Ross Green, Vittorio Caffi, Stephen Burke, Fergus Waters and now Andy Lockerbie all got the boot / resigned in the last 10 years or so. . |
PK as well?
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Yeah forgot about PK add another CEO to the list...
Actually thinking about it further it could be it hasn't cost us too much as memory serves he was on a three year contract when appointed around 5 years ago so they may have just shook hands and declined to renew a rolling contract. He musta had to sign something or would have put his own letter out saying off to pastures new though..
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| @Haggis_Trap, hmmm unjust criticism... You won't get an explanation as most likely yet another NDA / Compromise agreement that will have cost the company / membership cash and no one will be the wiser.. Not exactly an unusual occurrence as I can remember Sean Langmuir, Ross Green, Vittorio Caffi, Stephen Burke, Fergus Waters and now Andy Lockerbie all got the boot / resigned in the last 10 years or so. Then there was the NDA with Simon Butler and I can't even count the number of members who went to the trouble of running for office as Directors then resigned before their terms were up. Phil Brown, Andy Dobson, Ian Linklater, Birchy etc. |
So what are the reasons for everyone giving up so quickly?
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| @Haggis_Trap, hmmm unjust criticism... You won't get an explanation as most likely yet another NDA / Compromise agreement that will have cost the company / membership cash and no one will be the wiser.. Not exactly an unusual occurrence as I can remember Sean Langmuir, Ross Green, Vittorio Caffi, Stephen Burke, Fergus Waters and now Andy Lockerbie all got the boot / resigned in the last 10 years or so. Then there was the NDA with Simon Butler and I can't even count the number of members who went to the trouble of running for office as Directors then resigned before their terms were up. Phil Brown, Andy Dobson, Ian Linklater, Birchy etc. |
For sure - you tell me what the back-story might be!
My personal perspective of BASI is that every course I have been on has been excellent.
The trainers have been superb and fair. Office always been able to help with inquiries and efficient.
Clearly there is some kind of issue here - however that doesn't mean BASI is all-bad.
As I said in original post : would have been better for BASI to offer explanation why CEO resigned in original members-email ?
Then we wouldn't be left speculating on bulletin boards ?
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You know it makes sense.
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The trainers have been superb and fair.
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And IME the instructors.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| AL9000 wrote: |
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The trainers have been superb and fair.
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And IME the instructors. |
Agree : Humble BASI L2 allows you to work in CH, Austria, Italy, NZ, USA, Canada, Sweden, Argentina <etc>
Despite all the politics (see above) I think BASI generally do a decent job.
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Poster: A snowHead
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So, does anyone know what actually happened? I, like every other member, received the email. But what does it mean? For BASI, and for "ordinary " member?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Doesn't seem to be a healthy organisation at the highest levels. |
Posted from a glass house? !
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Davina Goldballs wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
| Doesn't seem to be a healthy organisation at the highest levels. |
Posted from a glass house? ! |
With insight?
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| Dunk wrote: |
With insight? |
I guess, given that Rob hired Andy Lockerbie in the first place (as said above) he must have thought he was the right person at the time... obviously he's not directly party to what has happened since he recommended him.
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Rob was on a panel of members who reviewed the candidates... He can comment but I seem to recall "best of a bad shortlist" and the one candidate who stood clearly at the top of the heap took another role late in the interview process and AL got the job...
lots of things going on at the moment... A reliable industry contact has told me that there is template letter flying around to gain 50 signatures to trigger a vote of no confidence in the whole board. Also, apparently a "key management team member" has resigned recently along with AL...
Utter nonsense to try to boot the whole board, most of whom are volunteers who stood from the membership.. BASI has lost its core values over the years and has a terrible track record of resignations and firings of senior staff/board members.. Egomania 
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There's a difference between censorship based on defined reasonable criteria of what's acceptable/unacceptable on a forum ... which is also called 'moderating' ... and censorship that's just based on sensitivty to personal/commercial interests. Or maybe someone huffing/puffing.
There is (a) the law ... and (b) snowHeads' terms and conditions ... to help sH moderators avoid curtailing freedom of expression on a purely subjective basis.
Unfortunately the latter form of censorship - removal without obvious justification - was executed on this thread yesterday. And that form of censorship has been repeatedly exercised on snowHeads over the past 5 years.
I monitor this type of activity occasionally to assist in 'archiving the full narrative' and 'making sense of a confused and turbulent world'. You're welcome to have a gander ...
https://www.facebook.com/
To understand what's happening at BASI, their members seem to be enjoying freedom of expression here ... with publicly-readable content ...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/BASIMembers/permalink/10156266385080826/
Latest Companies House data on BASI 'filing history' is available here ...
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC278963/filing-history
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| Davina Goldballs wrote: |
I monitor this type of activity occasionally to assist in 'archiving the full narrative' and 'making sense of a confused and turbulent world'. You're welcome to have a gander ...
https://www.facebook.com/ |
very interesting but your link goes nowhere
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| davidof wrote: |
| very interesting but your link goes nowhere |
Of this I am aware. It ain't what I typed.
As a fully qualified link monkey (level 2 BALM) ILMA member, I know exactly what I'm doing.
[img]https://i1.wp.com/www.internetbrandsauto.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/monkey-tablet.jpg?w=425&ssl=1[/img]
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| Davina Goldballs wrote: |
| davidof wrote: |
| very interesting but your link goes nowhere |
Of this I am aware. It ain't what I typed.
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I see that the link in you previous post pointing to an article about the wearing of qualification patches has disappeared now.
Why is this happening? Is someone changing posts without indicating it has happened or why?
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@ster, as Davina Goldballs is currently restricted to one post per day, and is 'down a crevasse' moderators are unable to PM him to let him know there has been some moderation of his posts. He knows the score, and should abide by the terms and conditions he is often so keen to point out.
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Mon 23-09-19 14:31; edited 1 time in total
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| Hells Bells wrote: |
| @ster, as Davina Goldballs is currently restricted to one post per day, and is 'down a crevasse' moderators are unable to PM him to let him know there has been some moderation of his posts. He knows the score, and should abide by the rules. |
Would it be possible, if not too much trouble, to say when a post is moderated and say why?
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| davidof wrote: |
| Hells Bells wrote: |
| @ster, as Davina Goldballs is currently restricted to one post per day, and is 'down a crevasse' moderators are unable to PM him to let him know there has been some moderation of his posts. He knows the score, and should abide by the rules. |
Would it be possible, if not too much trouble, to say when a post is moderated and say why? |
Agreed that this should be done. I doubt it would be too onerous.
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| ster wrote: |
| . I doubt it would be too onerous. |
It might be as the mods are doing things on a voluntary basis. Helen's links to The Rules wasn't very enlightening. It might be better to remove David's posts entirely with a message saying it was moderated ?
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You know it makes sense.
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| ster wrote: |
I see that the link in you previous post pointing to an article about the wearing of qualification patches has disappeared now.
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It wasn't a huge deal afaiks, depending on how you view rules. The ski school UpsideDown skiing or whatever they are called had a publicity photo where their instructors had ISIA badges when some of the instructors in question were not ISIA qualified. A representative for the ski school said the Italians had asked them to wear them so they could be identified by the resort as official instructors and so not get stopped by the authorities. There is a question over why they used this photograph in their communications but it could just be an oversight, we've probably all done something similar in our lives. There seems to be something of a feud between David and TopHeavy Skiing, or whatever they are called but I've no idea why and posts are subject to moderation. Maybe more info in the thread you mentioned?
Sorry to digress, not really a subject for this thread. Feel free to mod this post.
Last edited by You know it makes sense. on Tue 24-09-19 9:19; edited 2 times in total
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| davidof wrote: |
| ster wrote: |
| . I doubt it would be too onerous. |
It might be as the mods are doing things on a voluntary basis. Helen's links to The Rules wasn't very enlightening. It might be better to remove David's posts entirely with a message saying it was moderated ? |
Either or but I dont think a post should be changed without some reference to that fact as it could totally and surreptitiously change what is being said. Indeed when a user changes their own post the site shows a note that it has been edited.
I think the rules link was that automatic one that happens when you refer to the rules pointing to those jokey ones, I can only assume she meant the t&cs of the website as interpreted by a moderator.
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| ster wrote: |
I think the rules link was that automatic one that happens when you refer to the rules pointing to those jokey ones, I can only assume she meant the t&cs of the website as interpreted by a moderator. |
ah I see, T&C are here: https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/snowTerms.php
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I'm guessing the link is defamatory?
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@davidof, it was, and my apologies for the inadvertent link to the rules in my post above. I've now edited that. If there had been a post after DG it would show up as edited, but I believe it was the last post in the thread at the time.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@ster, we do this voluntarily as and when we are online. So yes, it can occasionally be a hassle to explain everything we moderate.
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| davidof wrote: |
| I'm guessing the link is defamatory? |
Presumably you mean "I'm guessing the Supreme Court of SnowHeads Moderators voted 11:0 that the link is defamatory"
| Hells Bells wrote: |
| @davidof, it was ... |
No it wasn't. Facebook took no action when it was posted in 2016, because it's a perfectly standard piece of journalism that fully quotes Inside Out in justifying their wearing of ISIA badges. It can't possibly be defamatory, because it's factual and truthful.
Why not allow snowHeads users to form their own judgements, instead of imposing heavy-handed and dubious censorship?
The link in question:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SKI.HUB/permalink/1787658804854217/
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We need some more emoticons/emojis on Snowheads........
Like, maybe that one of a bell, and then the word end ?
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I find the old boy rather funny.
Calling what he writes on Facebook 'journalism' is hilarious!
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| Davina Goldballs wrote: |
| davidof wrote: |
| I'm guessing the link is defamatory? |
Presumably you mean "I'm guessing the Supreme Court of SnowHeads Moderators voted 11:0 that the link is defamatory"
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I was simply going through the T&C to see which one might be appropriate given the link was no longer up. I have no input into the running or otherwise of snowheads.
Anyways seems I recalledthe story fairly accurately, except for the name of the ski school. Should have remembered UpsideDown Ski School, it is fairly memorable.
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There was a webinar tonight which no doubt some people have watched explaining some of the issues. BASI has an uncertain financial outlook (even without Brexit and Covid) and Mr Lockerbie, at 86K/year, was just too expensive. Three other members of the management have been let go saving a lot in staff bills but some of their work will be made up by outsourcing.
One of the old managers has been on Facebook complaining about being let go.
Down to costs and also wanting to have a new team in place. BASI may try to operate without a formal CEO in the near future.
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@davidof,
CEO is just a posh name for office manager at BASI.
Why do they need an expensive office when a rented unit would be more than adequate?
Why did they advertise for a CEO in the Times when only someone pretty local would take the job?
BASI used to have a years income in reserve, now they need a loan! Pretty pathetic management
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