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anyone got a recommended UK place to get some cleaning wax? Got 3 pairs of skis to do, so am going to by a fair bit as I reckon it won't go off, and should see me thru the summer indoor skiing season!!
Cheers,
Greg
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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gregh, I got 2kg of SKS universal yellow wax from Ronnie at Kandie Imports (01324 861 296) for under £40 shipped. It's great for cleaning.
For multi hot scapes when base prepping new skis or after a grind I've been using Dominator Zoom Renew (from http://www.snocat.co.uk ) which has been excellent.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Sat 13-05-06 16:04; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Ronnie won't sell to me, as I'm not a retailer!! He also insists I should be using a base cleaner/wax remover and says it doesn't dry the base out at all, called it an olds wife's tale!
So still looking....
regards,
Greg
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| gregh wrote: |
| Ronnie won't sell to me, as I'm not a retailer!! |
gregh, Neither is spyderjon! But he's from Liverpool so he can get hold of anything 
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What about clubbing together for a group purchase? I'd like some cheap universal wax for cleaning/storage, as well as some basic hydrocarbon wax in warm and cold for general use. A kilo of each would be about right for me.
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| gregh wrote: |
| Ronnie won't sell to me, as I'm not a retailer!! He also insists I should be using a base cleaner/wax remover and says it doesn't dry the base out at all, called it an olds wife's tale! |
gregh, I disagree with Ronnie re using a base cleaner. Not only does it dry out the base unnecessarily but I don't think that it actually cleans as deep into the base as a hot scrape. Being pretty anal about tuning methodology I actually tested this about a month ago on a pair of my mate's skis that he'd been ski guiding on for three weeks in spring snow & had only been waxed, but never cleaned.
I hot scraped ski #1 & then used SKS base cleaner (from Ronnie) on ski #2. I then hot scraped both skis.
The wax scrapings from ski #1 were clean whilst the wax scapings from ski #2 still contained a noticeable amount of dirt. When hot scraping the heat from the iron 'opens up' the base & the applied wax sticks to the residual wax (there's a fancy name for this property which I can't remember just now) containing the dirt, all of which is then 'pulled out' by the scraping.
The use of a base cleaner is great for localised prepping of a patch repair to give the best p-tex to p-tex adhesion.
I'm just in the process of finalising my trade accounts with Ronnie & a few other distributors/manufacturers for my ski tuning business. This should be done within a week or two then I'll be able to supply you. I'll let you know asap.
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| rob@rar.org.uk wrote: |
| What about clubbing together for a group purchase? I'd like some cheap universal wax for cleaning/storage, as well as some basic hydrocarbon wax in warm and cold for general use. A kilo of each would be about right for me. |
rob, I'm just in the process of finalising my trade accounts with Ronnie & a few other suppliers for my ski tuning business. This should be done within a week or two.
I've ok'd it with Admin re adding my tuning service to my snowHeads profile & once I definately know what tuning products I can offer to fellow snowheads then I'm sure that I'll be able to agree a snowHeads contribution with Admin.
Watch this space!
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"cohesion"
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spyderjon, still a bit expensive though? Without any discount you can get the granulated universal wax from the likes of Worden in France at a very reasonable 68 euros (about £46) for over 5 kgs*. Supposed to be used with a machine (little roundish balls of wax), but I know plenty of people who use it for general purpose waxing and cleaning.
* - 5.395 kgs net for some reason.
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sorry if i'm being stupid but i'm a snowboarder not a skier, but surely cleaning ski's before waxing is the same as cleaning a board.
we use white spirit, super cheap and as good as base cleaner.
also when waxing your board/ski's, remember to edge first, but why melt on wax??? if you buy your wax in a block, rub it on cold, rub good and hard using lots and lots of pressure, then iron, then scrape but i'll bet you dont need to scrape much.
super time saving trick that one! We have 10 boards at our chalet this meathod gets them done super quick and super smoth and ready to go!
if its different for ski's i'm about to find out i guues! 
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snowangel., melting the wax with an iron is much better for getting the wax into the base of the ski/board. The base material is porous, and what you're trying to do is fill the porous structure, not coat the surface. Cold rubbing is OK because the friction partially melts the wax, but using a hot iron is much easier/effective.
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You know it makes sense.
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have to totally disagree (having a top techi husband who taught me how to do it) the time and effort it takes to scrape a board back is much more than the way we do it.
for us its tried and tested and works lovely with no burnt board bases!
and being he used to have to do 50 - 60 boards in one day last season i kind of trust him!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Save time scraping, use Fiberlene under your iron on the last pass.
PG, straight paraffin is even cheaper, works great, too soft for actually skiing snow gun snow though.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| comprex wrote: |
| "cohesion" |
Correct, but that's not the word I was thinking about. It'll come to me soon.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| snowangel. wrote: |
| have to totally disagree (having a top techi husband who taught me how to do it) the time and effort it takes to scrape a board back is much more than the way we do it. for us its tried and tested and works lovely with no burnt board bases! |
If it works for you then great. My experience with hot crayoning on skiers versus cold crayoning is just that it's a lot easier to apply the wax but equally easy to scrape.
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| and being he used to have to do 50 - 60 boards in one day last season..... |
Rather him than me  .
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| PG wrote: |
Any thoughts? Is the wax industry conning us?  |
Not sure about the science, but my personal experience is that in certain snow conditions there is a significant difference in how skis glide depending on whether they have recently been waxed or not. There were several occasions last season when I couldn't be bothered to wax my skis in the evening, only to regret that decision the following day because of how the skis were running.
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| PG wrote: |
rob@rar.org.uk, definitely - one piece of conclusive proof was when at the end of a long day of off-piste at the BLAM, we paused for a drink, and I applied some rub-on Toko wax (from the instructions on the box it sounded as if it was targeting water-skiers, so it seemed ideal  ). |
There were times when I wished I'd had some of that stuff at the EOSB. Sometimes it felt as if snow gremlins were grabbing your feet as you skied past them!
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gregh, Having spent years around some of the best techs in the business, I can safely say that if you would like to screw up the gliding characteristics of your skis completely then by all means use base cleaner, however it's a much better idea to only hot scrape and brush them. Swix Base Prep or CH8 is really good for this 
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PG,
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In the damper, flatter sections on the way back to the Vanoise, I then found myself gliding effortlessly past several 'larger' skiers in our group |
Hmmmm, I seem to remember you gliding past me 
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I'm not entirely convinced you haven't dug yourself a separate hole there
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When in such a hole best to stop digging
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You know it makes sense.
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boredsurfin, Ian Hopkinson, Wear The Fox Hat, I'm not sure how big, or what shape of hole PG, wants to dig here
Okay, seriously, so, how do you "hot scrape" then?
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snowbunny, just scrape the wax off before it cools too much.
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Poster: A snowHead
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marc gledhill, Thanks. I can do that!. Then, do I re wax and leave to cool before scraping and finishing off?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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snowbunny, really, really keen ski polishers would say yes.
And by re waxing and letting it cool it possibly gets a bit more wax into the base.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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marc gledhill, Can I use any ski wax, or does it need to be CH8 for the hot scrape?
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Make the most of it! The European Parliament might not let us wax our skis for much longer! Article to follow ...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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snowbunny, if you're hot scraping to clean the bases and the re waxing - then the cheapest you can get your hands on seems to be the way to go.
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PG,
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Make the most of it! The European Parliament might not let us wax our skis for much longer! Article to follow ...
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Time to stockpile the wax then
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| PG wrote: |
| Make the most of it! The European Parliament might not let us wax our skis for much longer! Article to follow ... |
There was a thread on epic joking about the effects of all the wax put onto the slopes via the bottom of the skis. I hope it isn't that type of enviro problem you're talking about.
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Afraid so. And not just because of the alleged effect on flora, fauna too. Only rumours at the moment though.
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PG,
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Make the most of it! The European Parliament might not let us wax our skis for much longer!
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All the more reason to ski in Switzerland then
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didn't seem to do any harm... 
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