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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Sounds great, bring it on 
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| Even if you get in a small six man bubble only with your own household bubble, it’s just been vacated by sweaty bunch of strangers. |
No, it was vacated 10 min ago.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I don't use gondolas or cable cars at the best of times - what a palava taking your skis on and off eh? That's one reason I'm not going to LDA for this half term despite the good conditions on the glacier.
Will also avoid Venice.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Isn't it a matter of relative probabilities? Rather than absolute risk? Where we ski, yes, we'd be in a gondola for 10 minutes in our own group first thing. After that, the rest of the day we'd be using chairs. How does that compare to being at home and, say, sharing a railway carriage for 70 minutes? Or being on a bus for half an hour? Or walking 'round a busy supermarket for 40 minutes? Or meeting-up with other members of the family for lunch in someone's home?
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We're going to La Rosiere (all things allowing...) and from what I can tell from the piste map, having never been before, there's only 1 cable car/gondola in the are over in La Thuile, which you can take a chair instead.
Will I get in a gondola, maybe, but if there's a chair alternative, i'll probably take that instead, prefer them anyway.
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It's a good question and something I have been thinking about.
Isn't the guidance you are OK if in close proximity for less than 15 minutes? And also if people are wearing masks then the chances of infection are low?
With us being a family of 4 - a 4 or 6 person gondola's are not probably. Equally something that is 10 minutes with everybody masked up should be OK.
The one's I would be worried about would be one's were they get jammed in - like the Aggy Rouge in Les Arcs. But I would probably just avoid those.
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@rayscoops, you really are a "glass is half full of covid" sort of person aren't you?
And when did being sweaty become an infection pathway?
Are you about to contrive a thousand ways to contract it in a gondola now just like you came up with then for how masks were going to spread it?
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@adithorp,  just don't lick it.
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Well I'm going to give it a go when we open from 17th for 2 weeks. The only way up to the glacier is by a 2 stage gondola. Quite lengthy, probably 30 minutes in total. Usual capacity is 20 but I believe that is being halved. I'll avoid the early rush when all the race clubs will be going up. I'll take a look at how it is mid morning and will probably avoid the first weekend.
Once up on the glacier it's all T bars except for a funicular, I'm not sure if that is running.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Gondolas / cable cars have a higher risk of airborne tranmission from people coughing / sneezing or even just talking; you can perhaps reduce the risk a little bit with a good face covering.
Chairs / drag lifts are lower risk but are not risk free, even if not sharing. Everyone tends to hold a drag pole in about the same place, and use the handle to pull down a chair safety bar, both of which can act as fomites to pass a virus from one persons's glove to another. From which you can pass it on to your poles, skis, goggles, helmet, piste map etc, where it may survive for say 72 hours.
The hands (gloves?) / face / space advice continues to apply. And if you really want to minimise the risk of picking up a virus, don't go skiing at all!
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@ecureuil, fomite transmission is currently considered fairly marginal.
Anyway, I've had it, it was a gift from God, my blood is the vaccine, it wasn't that bad* and I'm immune.
* Onions still don't smell right
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You know it makes sense.
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| adithorp wrote: |
@rayscoops, you really are a "glass is half full of covid" sort of person aren't you?
And when did being sweaty become an infection pathway?
Are you about to contrive a thousand ways to contract it in a gondola now just like you came up with then for how masks were going to spread it? |
Nail on head. Just a trolling thread from the master of contrarianism.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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the master of contrarianism
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Claude B wrote: |
| Well I'm going to give it a go when we open from 17th for 2 weeks. The only way up to the glacier is by a 2 stage gondola. Quite lengthy, probably 30 minutes in total. Usual capacity is 20 but I believe that is being halved. I'll avoid the early rush when all the race clubs will be going up. |
if they are halving the capacity you'll probably get up in time to come back down again !
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I used these in the summer. I was fine. All wore masks/sanitised etc. In larger gondolas capacity was much reduced. Queueing was distanced. As someone said above, it’s like the tube. If you are an incredibly risk averse person or in the vulnerable category it may not feel worth the risk to you personally. For me I am happy with the precautions I saw in effect in Swiss resorts in the summer and I’m happy to take the chance of the odd gondola to enjoy a week’s skiing and the outdoors. If I didn’t like any risks then I wouldn’t be a skier at all or do many other things I like to do. Life is about balance.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Aiguille du Midi in Chamonix was running at 60% capacity in May and early June - Since then its been sardines in a can. Still was today on the way up!
I don't think many if any French resorts are actually going to run Telepheriques (Cable cars/Trams) or Telecabines (Gondolas/bubbles) at any sort of reduced capacity this winter.
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How does that compare to being at home and, say, sharing a railway carriage for 70 minutes? Or being on a bus for half an hour? Or walking 'round a busy supermarket for 40 minutes? Or meeting-up with other members of the family for lunch in someone's home?
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Those places tend to be the same people week in week out though. Meaning there is an element of control and traceability. A gondola you have hundreds of people flying in from all over Europe and then flying back out a week later. It's not hard to see why the gondola is more concerning. There is also the fact that supermarket and train journeys might be essential, whereas a gondola certainly isn't.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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How does that compare to being at home and, say, sharing a railway carriage for 70 minutes? Or being on a bus for half an hour? Or walking 'round a busy supermarket for 40 minutes? Or meeting-up with other members of the family for lunch in someone's home?
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I wonder how often those buses and railway carriages are being air out between terminals?
It's all about confined indoor space. Gondolas are typically left empty on the return trip. So if it's aired out on the return trip, it may actually be better than trains and buses.
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| walking 'round a busy supermarket for 40 minutes? |
I've been able to managed NOT to go to supermarket when they are crowded.
And my shopping time tend to last less than 30 minutes. Having a list in hand before entering cuts down on time wandering about...
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I think a 6/8/10 person seated gondola with the windows open is a better bet than my morning/evening train journey.
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It would be quite easy to send a cloud of disinfectant into the gondola on its return down the mountain.
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| davidof wrote: |
| Claude B wrote: |
| Well I'm going to give it a go when we open from 17th for 2 weeks. The only way up to the glacier is by a 2 stage gondola. Quite lengthy, probably 30 minutes in total. Usual capacity is 20 but I believe that is being halved. I'll avoid the early rush when all the race clubs will be going up. |
if they are halving the capacity you'll probably get up in time to come back down again ! |
They did in the summer. In fact they limited the numbers allowed to go up to the glacier. I was told 450 by someone who works up there.
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| russ_e wrote: |
| It would be quite easy to send a cloud of disinfectant into the gondola on its return down the mountain. |
I have seen exactly this proposed by some of the resorts here (sorry, can't remember which ones). No idea if it will make any difference though, if you don't normally lick the windows.
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It might turn out to be the best season ever.
Limited numbers on the slopes and no waiting at the bar to get served 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@abc, really good point made
When I flew into Heathrow a few weeks back they had turned off every other e-gate to create social distancing with a helper aka "The Line Master" only allowing 1 person at a time into each of the e-gate queues for social distancing - so on this part Heathrow nailed it.
Now turn and look the other way back into the concourse and the bottleneck is the "The Line Master" who has now formed a huge queue of people piling onto one another with no social distancing and the elevators and lifts feeding the concourse just piling more people into a small space. - Absolutely pointless what Heathrow had done.
Thinking about Funitel Peclet in VT - on a busy day the queue is rammed and backs onto the slope, with capacity reduced if they tried to get social distancing in the queue as well it would probably back all the way up to the top of the magic carpet.
Saalbach and the Zwölferkogelbahn and Reiterkogelbahn are two other gondolas where I have no idea how they will manage the queueing and capacity to make things safe - and I sure this issue presents across the alps
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@extremerob, it's just that kind of mixed implementation that makes the whole thing a joke.
For many people who hadn't even quite got their head around the reality of the pandemic, all they could see is this totally chaotic practice of crowd in one space and social distancing on another. Little wonder they throw up their hands and say the hell with it!
I anticipated this kind of chaos back in June when everything just opening back up. But 3 months later, we're still seeing this sort of random act in every part of our life. It's like we had no central planning from the government. Oh wait, we had NO central planning! Never mind.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Grizzler, this has been discussed on other threads for some time, but gondolas have always been treated as public transport, and masks are to be worn. Do not expect them to run at reduced capacity. Do not expect “social distancing” (urgh) to be maintained or observed.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@extremerob, am I missing the point? That looks like someone behind a MP on the Labour bench
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@stevew, . she's using her mask to clean her glasses
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| extremerob wrote: |
| @stevew, . she's using her mask to clean her glasses |
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Yes, but it looks like someone on the Labour bench and therefore not a leader but an aspiring one
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@stevew, what a burn, but fair point!
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@Dave of the Marmottes, +1.
Ray lights the touch paper and retreats with anticipation.
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@dode, would you take a full gondola? Austria, so it seems, will be running them at full capacity
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| adithorp wrote: |
@rayscoops, you really are a "glass is half full of covid" sort of person aren't you?
And when did being sweaty become an infection pathway?
Are you about to contrive a thousand ways to contract it in a gondola now just like you came up with then for how masks were going to spread it? |
sweaty from over exertion and breathing heavily, heavy atmosphere and people taking masks off ... it is all connected
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