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Tignes and The Espace Killy 2020/2021. (Useful links updated on Page 1)

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As the season has now finished La Marie has authorised building works to start from today. The major one will be the Club Med complex on the Grande Motte carpark. 7 cranes are about to appear, they should be visible on the webcams. However some of the locals overlooking the site are not best pleased as works are authorised from 0600 to 2000 Mon - Fri, 6-12 on Sats! But the workers are supposed to do things quietly in the first and last 2 hours, yeah right!
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The major one will be the Club Med complex on the Grande Motte carpark.
Hadn't seen anything at all about that chocksaway...So a chunk of the carpark to be built on? Confused Given that our apartment is about half way down the carpark (in one of the Chalet Clubs) can you advise on the location? I'm assuming it's not going to be a small, unobtrusive development...
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@mountainaddict, http://www.mairie-tignes.fr/697-pc-village-club-med.htm

My French isn't great, but I think it's 1000 beds Shocked . Picture on the plan link.
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@mountainaddict, http://www.mairie-tignes.fr/697-pc-village-club-med.htm

My French isn't great, but I think it's 1000 beds Shocked . Picture on the plan link.


Queue for Tichot on a morning then Laughing


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@mountainaddict, Its been in the mix for a long time with many revisions. I've nothing better than the stuff@GreenDay, has posted. Parking will be a multi storey to replace what's lost. I realise this is not good news for you.
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@chocksaway,

Do you have a picture of the proposed covered slope as well?
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@mountainaddict, http://www.mairie-tignes.fr/697-pc-village-club-med.htm

My French isn't great, but I think it's 1000 beds . Picture on the plan link.


Wow that's huge! Should create a nice wind funnel down the main road too, assuming its on the car park just to the side of that.
Lifts would be upgraded near there I hope?
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I've nothing better than the stuff@GreenDay, has posted. Parking will be a multi storey to replace what's lost. I realise this is not good news for you


Shocked Shocked Shocked

I'm absolutely dumbfounded - but mainly because we knew absolutely nothing about the project.

Looking at this objectively, I think it looks a decent development that will change the character of Val Claret for the better. But the parking virtually at our apartment door will be a big miss. I'm assuming the whole open air car park will be gone? Where will this new multi-storey car park be located?

One possible concern was the impact on views from our balcony. As we are four floors up, our our views of the Grande Motte will be unaffected but, given the scale of the development, it looks like Tichot Chair and the lower slopes around there will be obscured.
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@mountainaddict, I think it's at the Lac end of the current car park.
@stewart woodward, I think you can just see La Rosiere from there Laughing
That was the last I heard on the final site for the indoor slope.
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Wow that's huge! Should create a nice wind funnel down the main road too, assuming its on the car park just to the side of that.
Lifts would be upgraded near there I hope?


Looking at the "Annexes au rapport" from the link GreenDay posted:

From page 80 there are stats on lift utilisation. Fresse is the busiest, peaking around 55% of capacity. Tichot peaks around 45%.

On page 86 there is a plan of the site. It shows a new snow front and new lift running parallel to Tichot but at the entrance to Val Claret. It doesn't show the top of the lift, but I assume this could be made to connect with Merles and Grand Huit, as well as running back under the lift into Val Claret. That would also provide a shorter route back from Val Claret/Val d'Isere to Le Lac, avoiding Trolles/Johan Clarey.

There's also a "ski" route shown that arrives at the bottom of Tichot from behind the buildings on the far side of the road. I'm not sure what that really represents or what is possible, but it seems to suggest that you'd be able to start skiing down Bollin, turn off to the right after the old Club Med building, then ski all the way to the bottom of Tichot. It would be nice if you could do that without polling, but there's a road and other building in the way.

These are only suggestions that were in a planning application, so there's a very good chance they won't happen, but they could be nice improvements if they did.
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Thanks for that aerial view pic MyKeg It certainly confirms the scale of the development - ie gargantuan.

Not sure why they've left any space at the Grande Motte end though - surely they could've fitted in another couple of hundred rooms? rolling eyes
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going to be a massive change. Those old photos in the Annexes are superb.
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Not sure why they've left any space at the Grande Motte end though - surely they could've fitted in another couple of hundred rooms? rolling eyes


They need the room for the Tichot lift queue Shocked
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Any ideas on timescale for when this monster is to be finished and open??
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Would be good if they built the multistory parking before starting on the new Club Med building.
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@snowornever, From a mate with a balcony overlooking it 2 to 4 years. They are hoping with this months head start it will be 2!
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Hmm
Well I can’t avoid the growing feeling that the resort is just getting too big in terms of bed numbers
There was talk of even more developments in lavachet along the side of the nursery slope teeing off owners in the existing buildings! Eh oh!
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Money talks. They are adding beds in all the high places, France and Austria alike.
I just wonder who will take the old CM building.
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@snowornever, Indeed, I agree we should be one bed in one out but upping the quality. That didn't go down well with one of the folks behind the Lavachet project.

Lift capacity is fine generally, but piste capacity isn't. But persuading land owners to allow new list As is tricky. It's a quirk of French law about offering benefits in kind and who actually owns the snow surface when the land can't be used for grazing.
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@snowornever, Indeed, I agree we should be one bed in one out but upping the quality. That didn't go down well with one of the folks behind the Lavachet project.

Lift capacity is fine generally, but piste capacity isn't. But persuading land owners to allow new list As is tricky. It's a quirk of French law about offering benefits in kind and who actually owns the snow surface when the land can't be used for grazing.


Actually, I think one bed in two beds out would be a better strategy, and, as you say going for quality rather than the monastic cell approach!
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chocksaway wrote:
@snowornever, Indeed, I agree we should be one bed in one out but upping the quality. That didn't go down well with one of the folks behind the Lavachet project.

Lift capacity is fine generally, but piste capacity isn't. But persuading land owners to allow new list As is tricky. It's a quirk of French law about offering benefits in kind and who actually owns the snow surface when the land can't be used for grazing.


Actually, I think one bed in two beds out would be a better strategy, and, as you say going for quality rather than the monastic cell approach!


I agree on the quality angle - and there are some areas where it might not even be legal to replace like for like bed numbers (not au fait with planning in France, but in Lavachet, for example, there are a lot of tiny (notionally) 1 bed apartments with the alcove in the hallway given over to a par of bunkbeds) The Home Club is one that springs to mind immediately.

Everything I have seen developed in Tignes recently has had a bit more living space and quality about it - e.g. the Phoenix development in Rue de la Poste.

20 years ago, they may have tried to ram a gazillion crappy one and two bed apts in but what they did with the space was much more of the genuine 3 and 4 bed places with good living and cooking accomodation............and that was a redevelopment of existing space in the Palafour building.
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4 years! Shocked Is it being built by a UK motorway maintenance company?? Laughing Unbelievable how long those schemes take...
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4 years! Shocked Is it being built by a UK motorway maintenance company?? Laughing Unbelievable how long those schemes take...


Actually that's only 2 years as they are not allowed to work in the ski season
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I've heard from someone inTignes who has heard that interior works will be undertaken in the ski season??
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The parking in yellow on the aerial map has a yellow perimeter and is labelled “souterrain“, ie underground. When I read “multi-storey” I only think of above ground. If it’s below ground then that is a crazy amount of groundworks, possibly for grading the covered slope?
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@Grinning, Most of the parking in Tignes is multi-storey underground. The bit in the yellow line is a coach park now, would guess they will keep that unchanged and just put car spaces underneath, there isn't a slope to regrade.
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@rjs, I meant grading the planned covered slope (fridge).

The Golf multi-storey is not really underground in that they did not dig down so much as just plopped it in a sump and built up to fill the sump in staggered layers
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@Grinning, I believe that the indoor slope has been canned, possibly to reemerge at La Ros.

@rjs, Yeah, the bowels of Lac 3 are still a mystery to me. You never quite know which dimension you are going to reappear in, even the middle of a roundabout or Lac 1! Still all the spoil from Lac 3 converted the bottom half of Trolles from terrifying to scary. Shocked
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The bowels of Lac 3 are still a mystery to me. You never quite know which dimension you are going to reappear in, even the middle of a roundabout or Lac 1!
Golf multi-storey is just as bad....I was once all but convinced that the hire car had been knicked - but was in the wrong bit of the car park Embarassed
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@mountainaddict, or tigski who managed to appear backstage in the Maison from Lac3 on New Years Eve much to the consternation of security who thought they had locked it down to keep the masses from the high paid 'talent'.
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If tigski's not on the list...They're not coming in!".... Or maybe they are Laughing
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They wouldn't let me sing though!

I'm pretty sure I've tried all the exits from Lac3 now.
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Pity...Chanson D'Amour?? Laughing
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They wouldn't let me sing though!

I'm pretty sure I've tried all the exits from Lac3 now.

Even the one into Narnia?
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Don't know that bar Puzzled Does it have a happy hour? Laughing
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