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@hold_my_biere, for sure, if I was in Geneva I would have jumped in and bought again. The area will be open enough to justify, and with cross border workers being so numerous the border has to stay open surely. The problem for a lot of us is that the 'easy' hop from UK to Chx is now not so easy at all and may well remain so for months.
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@midgetbiker, and the problem for those of us that are there is that it’s anglophones who spend the money (nordics as well, to a lesser degree)
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chrise1967 wrote:
I was planning to renew my annual pass next week however with the current restrictions I am very apprehensive.

I have emailed info@montblancnaturalresort.com and asked if I renew and decided to cancel before December will I get a full refund. I think the answer will be no however the more people who ask a similar question they might consider.

Therefore please send a similar email to info@montblancnaturalresort.com.

Reading the above emails, I believe you are talking about the current annual pass.


Nice idea - I hope you can get it to work!

I've had a proper think about next winter, and I'll stick with a refund and the rapid card. Realistically if I even manage to ski 14 days this winter in Chamonix/Mont Blanc area I'll be doing well. And I do want to tack on the EoSB in April in Val Thorens. I've been massively fortunate the last few years to be able to spend many weeks working remotely in Chamonix, and able to afford to take all last winter off. It won't do me any harm to do a bit less this winter, concentrate on my new job, and build up the savings again.

But I do love the place, and miss my friends out there - so I'll do my best to get out when I can Smile And I've already planned to bring quite a few friends out there for the Easter weekend, to celebrate a rather big birthday Shocked So fingers crossed it'll be possible!
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@hold_my_biere, I wish I still lived in Geneva! Very jealous. As @midgetbiker said, the ease of hopping to/from the UK looks a lot less next winter. I'll just hope my work remain flexible, so if opportunities open up without quarantine I can hop over... Cool

@under a new name, it will be interesting to see how the spending varies this season. Do you think there's any chance of French spending making up for some of it?
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@fixx, not really, not per my sources.

In the main... They load their cars at their local big Carrefour with food and drink, self cater, and have their own kit. It’s not a criticism, it’s what we used to do up to Aviemore Happy
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I've put in for my refund, and had an answer saying it will be fine.... but.... I have to send in my ski passes.

I've responded that my ski passes are currently in Le Confinement in France, and I am in the same in the UK. Hopefully they will be prepared to cancel the passes electronically and refund me, but if not, I may have to put my "transit only" visit plan into play. Or send my keys to my ski instructor and ask him to retrieve my ski passes.
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Received an interesting email from the CdMB today. For such a notoriously unhelpful company, I find this a positive move:

"Fully aware of the present context & of possible travel restrictions between countries, La Compagnie du Mont-Blanc wishes to reassure its customers !

Any pass unused because of the COVID 19 crisis will be completely & totally refunded as long as the refund request is addressed to us
​​​​​​​before the 15th January 2021*"

They must be finding it a struggle to sell annual/season passes. No doubt obtaining a refund will be tres difficile, but this will be enough to persuade me and my chums to part with the cash.
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@HammondR, interesting. i'm actually just trying to renew our annuals but so far two cards (both with cash in bank) have been refused Puzzled
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@HammondR, that is a positive comment from them, nice to see.

Not much use to me though - if I do get out there to ski, I think it'll still be a lot less than usual, so the cost of the annual pass would still not be worth it Sad

But hopefully very helpful to others!
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Helpful, hmmmm, don't know about that, I now need to re-evaluate all my plans again!
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Annual and Season Passes on promo have a full refund option if not used. I have renewed my pass on the offer of a refund which I really hope I don't need to do.

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Dear Chris
Fully aware of the present context & of possible travel restrictions between countries, La Compagnie du Mont-Blanc wishes to reassure its customers !
Any pass unused because of the COVID 19 crisis will be completely & totally refunded as long as the refund request is addressed to us
before the 15th January 2021*
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@chrise1967, I am supposed to be the doddering old man, not you. Read the posts above!
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@chrise1967, that’s interesting my prive isn’t the super one, and runs from the 10th. Only offered an annual pass but I did take a refund. It’s euro 850 which is a bargain. I’m wobbling.


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Didn't read the small print, @HammondR. Just too excited Very Happy

Hopefully, see you January, your cockney friend.
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Well after lots of debating, working out travel options etc, I decided to be optimistic and buy the annual pass! If I can't go at NY, I'll request a refund, then maybe switch to a rapidcard. But fingers crossed I won't need to! snowHead
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we've renewed our annual at 715 club prive, couples edition. Can't argue with the price. If you do use your pass, then there is further lockdown etc then there is a partial refund available as well. They do say that the whole ski area must be closed to obtain a refund though so I do imagine a scenario where they keep planards open or something to screw everyone over Smile

Snowline has retreated upwards from a few days ago. Some guys skied to the gros rognon yesterday and said the snow was pretty rubbish and windblown.
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I took the plunge this afternoon. The shift in approach of the Cronies du Mont Blanc seems to have payed dividends. All my uk and Irish chums, who were scratching their heads for weeks about yes or no, eventually succumbed.
@Meltus, for the likes of me, I think the recent snow is of more importance for hopefully building a base of snow on the snow/ice routes and north faces. Lack of spring or autumn snows has played havoc with winter climbing conditions in recent seasons. Hoping this stuff sticks and isn't blown away.
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Indeed, its certainly much colder than the previous few Octobers so hopefully the current snow will be the start of a base and when the proper snow comes, the ground will be cold enough for it to stick around.

I went to climb the chere couloir a few weeks ago and bailed with brown trousers on the second pitch with it falling down around us. Hoping for some good snow/ice routes this winter

I did also see that some maniac has already skied glacier rond...I imagine that involved a lot of abseiling!
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It’s make your mind up time folks. I’ve just had an email detailing the offer post Friday for private club members. The 10-16 October deal is much better, like about 500 euro better.
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@Meltus, 5 guys we’re avalanche on the toula this week. I think they were ok. It was near the bottom of the stairs which is a bad spot.
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jbob wrote:
It’s make your mind up time folks. I’ve just had an email detailing the offer post Friday for private club members. The 10-16 October deal is much better, like about 500 euro better.


I've held my nerve and not bought. The only worry I have is that somehow not buying this season will mean no access to Prive in 21/22, though historically it has been open to anyone who bought over the last two or three seasons.
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@midgetbiker, I’ve been in a real dilemma.
On the one hand I most likely won’t get my monies worth, on the other having a pass will be a big motivator to go out more.
Mrs Jbob can’t ski or fond this year and that was a factor. My thoughts are rapid card, but more significantly to do a couple of ski camps away from Cham, like the Monta Rosa and La Grave. Last season was my first for 17 years when I didn’t get a tick for doing a route I hadn’t done before.
I’ve got a bit of catching up to do.
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@jbob, Mines complicated by the fact I haven't pulled my finger out and returned last years for the refund yet. So I don't actually have a replacement card (as I assume you have) to use to renew, which I assume you need for the Prive.

It's the school age daughter that's really messing things up, if it was just me and the missus then we'ld go, ski, come back, isolate.

But madam needs to get back on the GCSE treadmill, so the isolating becomes an issue.
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@midgetbiker, Snap, those dam pesky kids. Milked me for 16 years & still spoiling the fun
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@midgetbiker, @Jonny996, @jbob, same. Kids & wife can't realistically self-isolate, so even on my assumption that we cut quarantine to 7 days with testing, it's still not practical.
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I have been told (by email) by CdMB that the 19-20 pass refund is available up until May 31 2021 as long as I don't renew, so I don't need to worry about not having my passes physically available.
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I’m wobbling. I’ve just divided 860 euro by 60 euro and its 14 days and a bit. So thats how many days I’d get paying by the day for my annual pass cost.
I’ll sleep on it.
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@jbob, I did the same, but then I figured that I usually go for a week at a time, so it was about 3 weeks (20 days) for the family.
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If any Club Privé purchasers are yet to purchase for this season and would like to 'couple up', apparently it is possible to add a not-previous-purchaser within a couple this year. Let me know. I'd be very grateful for the saving and would owe you a few drinks! snowHead
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Wasn’t the super cheap price only on till Oct 9?
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under a new name wrote:
Wasn’t the super cheap price only on till Oct 9?

There's a later nearly as cheap (Club Prive as opposed the Super Club Prive) available until the 16th, for which you do not need to have not claimed a refund.
TBH
It feels like a bit of a scam, as:
CdMB emailed round saying Club Prive would have been 'X' but this year it will be 'Y' so long as you don't ask for a refund. The implication that I and others took was that you couldn't access 'X' if you took a refund, as 'Y' would replace it.
Then they ran both 'X' & 'Y', and I think anyone who choose no refund and 'Y' would only be coppers better off than someone who took the refund and 'X'.
In the mean time CdMB got to hang onto your refund money for 6 months and made you pay a week early.

On the other hand I guess they were thinking on their feet and making this up as they went along, so maybe there is no conspiracy.
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snowdave wrote:
I have been told (by email) by CdMB that the 19-20 pass refund is available up until May 31 2021 as long as I don't renew, so I don't need to worry about not having my passes physically available.


Thanks for the info, I have my passes to return, but I have a few sets of friends who left there's in jackets dotted all over Chx and now can't access them.

In fact I think I'll ring them now, see if you can renew on the Prive (not Super Prive) and then still later claim a refund (as you renewed, but not at the lower rate for those with no refund).

Then I can agonise about what to do for another 36hrs and 6 mins.
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@midgetbiker, I haven't seen any evidence that the CdMB are smart enough to mount a conspiracy. But how much are the not-super-club-prive rates then? We specifically took the impression that not taking the refund and getting cheaper passes was going to be more beneficial ... Evil or Very Mad
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@under a new name:
MBU Annual: Couple €1668, single €878, Young €746
Chx Annual: Couple €1309, single €689, Young €585

One other thing to mull on: If you took the refund and then bought on the later offer you may be a few € behind (but I think it is only a few), however then if the lifts are forced to shut for a period again and CdMB issue (for example) a 20% refund then those who went the refund route last time get a bigger refund this time (20% of more) so may end up on aggregate better off.

I could do a spreadsheet to see where the aggregate cost shifts in favourability from one group to the other, but that would just be sad!
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that would just be sad


hmmm, I could see myself doing that ... Embarassed

So ... there's not enough in it to be worth getting uptight about. Phew.
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I might be misremembering, but by taking the refund didn't you lose your pass for the rest of the year? The difference in €s might be small, but anyone with an annual pass came out ahead by having the use of their pass all summer.
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no you could keep hold of your pass if you took the refund, until its natural expiry. I got my annual MBU for 715 (couples pass) having not taken the refund. If I'm reading the above posts correctly then people who took the refund are paying 878? The refund was about 160 wasn't it? Seems like either way you end up in the exact same spot, give or take a few euros. Whole thing seems a bit pointless...
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@Meltus, not at all made up on the spot, eh?

I spent the summer rebuilding my house, so my annual (again) did me precious little good. My bad.
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