 Poster: A snowHead
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What's the EWG's opinion on the most environmentally friendly way of generating the electricity to light those bulbs in the first place?
David Goldsmith, you're the spokesperson for the EWG; what's the thinking on this?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Tim, you're a very naughty boy.
I am not the spokesperson for anything ... and that includes bicycle wheels.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Tim Brown, The only way to have an environmentally friendly way of generating electricity is to reduce demand and energy saving light-bulbs is one small step on that journey.
It's not our capacity that's the problem, it's our consumption ... What's the depth of insulation in your loft? An impertinent question, certainly, but are you aware of current standards?
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Masque, 200mm. By the way, the method used to generate electricity is highly pertinent!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Tim Brown, actually it's 270mm minimum as the recomended level. Your's is good but not good enough.
The method is and becomes even more relevant as consumption runs amok, however if we reduce consumption our choices of method become more varied and viable with renewable or non-polluters able to shoulder a larger percentage of the burden.
Spend money on conservation and education (as illustrated above) not generation for a sustainable future.
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Masque, agreed, but you should also have a debate about power generation. I'm amazed the EWG have no collective view on this.
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Masque, is 270mm the point at which the diminishing return of household energy saving is matched by the energy cost of making and transporting an incremental depth of fibre (for the average house, standing for the average number of years, occupied by an average household, in an climatically average part of the country, an average distance from the factory)? Or is it one of these numbers that will ratchet up regardless at the behest of whatever group of commissars decide these things? I'm not necessarily expecting you to know, I'm just musing.
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laundryman, That figure seems to have become the norm (or majority industry opinion) for uncompressed, loose laid fibre based insulation, as you say there is a diminishing return as you go over this and you need to look to other areas in the property as well. I prefer the sealed paper based rolls, x-laid, between and over the rafters. Not suitable for all applications but it has a better thermal efficiency and you don't need the same depth, you also don't have the irritation factor of loose fibers and it's easier to floor over.
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Masque, 200mm is the max I can have in my converted loft.
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How many mm [Milly Metres] does it take to change a lightbulb?
That's a low-wattage lightbulb, by the way.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Generally speaking the difficulty is not the electricity but the cost of the bulb. The cost of the bulb (Including it's carbon cost during manafacture) is often far greater than the cost, both £ and carbon, of the electricity saved through it's use 
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The Abominable snowHead, a 200watt bulb could be considered high-wattage, while a 40 watt example could be thought of as low-wattage. For a full explanation electricity, you might want to check out the internet.
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You know it makes sense.
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Tim Brown, sorry, I wasn't trying to be demeaning, pax.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Tim Brown wrote: |
| The Abominable snowHead, a 200watt bulb could be considered high-wattage, while a 40 watt example could be thought of as low-wattage. |
... well, yes, provided it's a low-wattage 40w bulb.
I think there's a simpler way of expressing it: low-wattage bulbs give out the equivalent light as standard bulbs, at approximately one-fifth of the wattage.
Can we change the subject, and how many chalet girls would be needed to change it?
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Poster: A snowHead
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How many jugglers does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- Only one, but it takes at least three lightbulbs.
How many bureaucrats does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
- Two. One to screw it in and one to screw it up.
How many doctors does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
- It depends on whather it has medical insurance.
How many fatalists does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
- It doesn't matter, We're all going to die anyway.
How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
- Two. One to change the bulb, and one to write about how it felt.
- Three. One to screw it in, and two to talk about the sexual implications.
- Four. One to change the bulb, and three to write about how the bulb is exploiting the socket.
- Three. One to change the bulb, and two to secretly wish they were the socket.
- Two. One to change the lightbulb, and one to kick the balls of any man who even tries to volunteer his help.
How many investment brokers does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
- "My god, it burnt out ! Sell all my general electric stock, NOW !!!"
How many cops does it take to screw n a lightbulb ?
- None. It turned itself in.
How many automechanics does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
- Five. One to force it with a hammer, and four to go out for more lightbulbs.
How many bankers does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
- Four. One to hold the bulb, and three to try and remember the combination.
How many christian scientist does ot take to screw in a lightbulb ?
- None. But it takes at least three to sit and prey for the old one to come back on.
How many windows programmers does it tae to change a lightbulb ?
- 391. One to write "WinGetLightBulbHandle",
one to write "WinGetLightBulbStatus",
one to write "WinGetLight.......
How many Technical Support folks does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- We have an exact copy of the bulb here, and it appears to work fine. Can You tell me what kind af system You have ? Okay, exactly how dark is it ? Okay, there could be four or five things wrong.... Have You tried the light switch ???
How many Microsoft vice presidents does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- Eight. One to change the bulb, and seven more to make sure Microsoft gets $2 every time a lightbulb is changed anywhere in the world.
How many Beta-testers does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- We noticed the darkness; We didn't actually fix the problem.
How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- None. Bill Gates wil just redefine Darkness (TM) to be the new industry standard.
How many C++ programmers does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- You're still thinking procedurally. A properly designed lightbulb object would inherit a change method from a generic lightbulb class, so all You'd have to do, is to send a lightbulb change message.
How many developers does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- The bulb works fine on the system in my office.
How many Ukrainians does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- None. They glow in the dark.
How many Iranians does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- One hundred. One to change the bulb, and ninety-nine to hold the rest of the house hostage.
How many Israelis does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- fourty to storm the room and take control of it, one to forcibly eject the old bulb, and another to screw the new one in.
How many dead politicians does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
- As many as possible.
How many Bill Clintons does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- None. He'll only promise change.
How many Russian leaders does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- Nobody knows. Russian leaders don't last as long as lightbulbs.
How many Marxists does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- None. The seeds of revolution and change are within the lightbulb itself.
How many Maoists does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- One to change the bulb, and on thousand to chant, "Fight Darkness. Fight..."
How many Apple Employees does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- Seven. one to change the bulb, and six to design the T-shirt.
How many computer engineers does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- Why bother. The socket will be obsolete in six months anyway.
How many librarians does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- I don't know, but I could look it up for You.
How many Psychologists does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- Just one. But the bulb has to really WANT to change.
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- Depends on what You want it to change to.
How many fishermen does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- Five. And You should have seen the bulb, it must have been THIS big.
How many Jewish mothers does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- That's all right, I'll just sit in the darkness.
How many gay men does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- Three. One to screw in an Art Deco bulb, and two to shriek, "Fabulous!"
How many Christians does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- Three, but they're really one.
How many irishmen does it take to change a lightbulb ?
- Eleven. One to hold the bulb, and ten to turn the house.
How many men does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
- Only one. Men will screw anything.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Ray Zorro, Fab, the Irish one's my favourite 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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How many BA pilots does it take to chane a lightbulb?
One, he just holds the bulb and as usual the whole world revolves around him 
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The Abominable snowHead, can you publish the instruction that told you not to advise on power production?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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No I can't. I'm afraid it doesn't exist.
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The Abominable snowHead, so you have no written instruction telling you not to advise on power production? In that case, are going to advice that nuclear is best (the majority of experts agree it is) when you next update your green code?
Last edited by You'll need to Register first of course. on Sat 22-04-06 21:05; edited 1 time in total
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I refer the Right Honourable snowHead to the answer I gave some moments ago.
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The Abominable snowHead, now, you say you've been told not to look at this issue, so who gave you that instruction?
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I refer the Right Honourable snowHead to a cup of Horlicks and beddy bies.
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Ray Zorro, It looks like you diversionary tactic has hit a brick SnowHead 
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