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philwig wrote:
I'm confused as to why the people behind this tomfoolery are still around.
What makes them think that they suddenly "know what they need to do".
It very much seems like they don't know and don't care.


As evidenced by the release of Fresh Tracks holidays today. How about:

Solden 8th Jan for one week social skiing for £2199 per person, not including lift pass! But scheduled air included.

So, almost the lowest week of the season in a second tier resort. The rate for the 4* Tyrolerhof hotel they are using is around £950 pppw half board at that time (I used Booking.com to check) but you'd hope Fresh Tracks are getting a net rate far better than that.

So who is kidding who? Same week in a slightly inferior hotel (but only slightly) with Crystal can be had for under £1k.
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@Pruman, They know their demographic and that's clearly "No riff-raff!". Either that or they've adopted a French pricing model - hmm no sales last year therefore double the price this year.
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Of course stopping the forum just when the new FT prices are released is purely coincidental..........

I may still be tempted by one of the Flaine OP weeks, depending on the prices when they are released
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@Pruman, is £950 pppw available for single occupancy or only for 2 adults sharing, i.e. it is £1900 per 2-person room, half board? I don't know the Tyrolerhof but most hotels don't have many single rooms, and SCGB price is for single occupancy.
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@philwig,
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I'm confused as to why the people behind this tomfoolery are still around.
What makes them think that they suddenly "know what they need to do".


Unconscious incompetence is the most difficult type to conquer.

I know, I’ve been grappling with my own for decades Toofy Grin
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ecureuil wrote:
...and SCGB price is for single occupancy.


Not according to thier website...
"Accommodation, either in hotels or chalets, is based on people sharing a room..."
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@adithorp, https://www.skiclub.co.uk/ski-club-holidays/solden-ski-week
SCGB wrote:
This holiday is on a single occupancy basis. You will therefore be placed in a room on your own for the duration of the trip. If you would prefer to share a room with someone you know, then please contact the Freshtracks office and we will make the relevant arrangements.
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The Tyrolerhof website offers single rooms that week for 918 euros.
£1400 remains to cover flight, transfer and man to protect and assert entitlement of the group, since it is irksome to do so oneself while on holiday.
You might assume, if the value is not apparent, you are not best suited to the group.
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Thought I'd dip my toe in . . .

On booking.com, I see that if I wanted (which I don't) I could get a single room half board in the hotel that week for £1,300 (6 still available today).

Seems then, unless my arithmetic is wrong, ignoring any discount SCGB might get on the room price, that I would pay at least £899 for:
- the BA Heathrow flights (probably at an ungodly hour);
- the transfers;
- the privilege of skiing and dining with SCGB types;
- the privilege of an SCGB rep taking me to pistes that I could have found for myself with the aid of a piste map and a couple of questions at the hotel reception.

No sale.

(By the way: 'Fresh Tracks' (sic)?? My *rse. On-piste???? At Sölden???? Cynical marketing or what.)

PS to the SCGB on marketing to the already-converted:

"Iceberg!"
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@Fat George, can’t help feeling a warm glow, as we have a direct comparator for that 8 Jan week quoted by @Pruman.

Fresh Tracks, 8-15 Jan, £2199pp, HB Shared Twin, Solden. LHR. 4**** central hotel.

Well Worn Tracks* 8-15 Jan,
< £1000pp, HB Shared Twin, Saalbach. Various conveniently timed flights from provincial airports. 4**** central hotel.

OK, no official guide. Is that worth more than double the cost?

Either I’m missing something here or I’m looking forward more than ever to 8 Jan 2022.

* An entirely imaginary trip conglomerate. snowHead
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PeakyB wrote:
@Fat George, can’t help feeling a warm glow, as we have a direct comparator for that 8 Jan week quoted by @Pruman.

Fresh Tracks, 8-15 Jan, £2199pp, HB Shared Twin, Solden. LHR. 4**** central hotel.

Well Worn Tracks* 8-15 Jan,
< £1000pp, HB Shared Twin, Saalbach. Various conveniently timed flights from provincial airports. 4**** central hotel.

OK, no official guide. Is that worth more than double the cost?

Either I’m missing something here or I’m looking forward more than ever to 8 Jan 2022.

* An entirely imaginary trip conglomerate. snowHead


Well there you go. Hotel Central is better too.

The whole point of a club is to deliver benefits to its members that make membership worthwhile. eg experiences you can't buy somewhere else, the 'crowd' purchasing power, and too much more to list but I'm sure, if any of us were running SCGB, we would think of benefits that far outweigh those currently on offer - probably without the need to charge £70 per year (by the way, no sign of recompense for a lost season)

Offering a trip that is literally 2x more expensive than available elsewhere is just plain dumb. It's the lowest week of the season FFS! Who the hell negotiated it? Snowheads do it much better - the trips look to be good value and people pile in in numbers which must make it fun. SCGB are spreading themselves too thin, offering too many resorts (to keep the reps in freebies) and plundering the membership. It's a business model that can only fail.
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@Pruman, seems the general info doesn't agree with that of the individual trips. Twice it says shared rooms here...

https://www.skiclub.co.uk/ski-club-holidays/holiday-information

...but is anyone surprised?
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Pruman wrote:
Snowheads do it much better
I'm not sure there's a lot of value in direct comparisons. It's an entirely different thing and as I've said before, while I've met some who have done both and like both, many of the more avid Fresh Tracks clientele
or at least many of those I've met
might find the, erm 'rhythm' of a snowHeads bash to be one they are unaccustomed dancing to.
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- the trips look to be good value
That's the aim.
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and people pile in in numbers which must make it fun.
Indeed, many seem to think so but U know - hawses for cawses Blue Eh oh! Mr. Green :ham: Cool snowHead
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@admin, I don't think its being unaccustomed to dancing to the Snowheads rhythm at all - indeed that could be read as reinforcing the unfounded cliche that Freshtracks clientele may be a little stiff, but simply a matter of the number of off-piste trips that are available under each option.
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I see Snowheads as more of a DIY trip I'd organise for my mates whereas Freshtracks is more of a TO experience.

I've done neither though.
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@Layne, well it’s about time you tried at least one of them wink
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On the rocks wrote:
@admin, I don't think its being unaccustomed to dancing to the Snowheads rhythm at all - indeed that could be read as reinforcing the unfounded cliche that Freshtracks clientele may be a little stiff, but simply a matter of the number of off-piste trips that are available under each option.


Every sHs bash is an off- piste trip for those that want it Puzzled
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@Dave of the Marmottes, with the option of a full week’s off piste guiding? Of course if you’ve already got a group of peer mates lined up for OP then good for you
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Well most weeks it can be put together I think and there is always peer to peer but yeah for people who want a guide programme fully locked down and backed up by a rep in each group etc then maybe there is a clear use case for Freshtracks.

But the piste cruising hol above isn't it.
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@admin, I don't think its being unaccustomed to dancing to the Snowheads rhythm at all - indeed that could be read as reinforcing the unfounded cliche that Freshtracks clientele may be a little stiff, but simply a matter of the number of off-piste trips that are available under each option.
Please don't take it personally @On the rocks: I wasn't commenting on the prowess of your good self (or anyone else) on the floor of the ballroom/disco/squatted-warehouse per sé. For all I know, Fresh Tracks holidays may be a veritable hotbed of Dancing Queens snowHead too

It is my impression, based on the tales of snowHeads I've met who are also fond of Fresh Tracks holidays, that it is a more prescriptive format than that typified by a snowHeads bash.
There's really no need for defensiveness as I'm not judging that to be better or worse - indeed my very point is that the two are quite different and so enjoyed by different sets of people, even if there is clearly something of a natural intersect.
I was taking issue with the comment that 'snowHeads does it better' as I don't think direct comparison between 2 such different beasts is helpful - the last thing I need is a bunch of SCGB members
welcome though they are...
turning up on a bash expecting it to be 'like Fresh Tracks but better' as it wont be and grumpiness will inevitably ensue.
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@Dave of the Marmottes,I’ve never seen the point of Freshtracks On piste holidays. And the Reps have not been a necessary part of off piste Freshtracks holidays, indeed on occasions they have been a hindrance. All I (and many others) want is a reasonable choice of venues and dates to ski off piste with others of similar ability and ambition. This is what Freshtracks offers and also the limited number of snowHeads off piste bashes. I’m not sure the other bashes do? Snow works offer similar but in a more rigid format. My ideal was when I used to enjoy unguided non taught off piste holidays with a bunch of my climbing mates, but unfortunately they’re into other things now.
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To be fair to them, I saw the £1399 Austria one with instruction and it seemed okay. Say £800 for hotel (single occupancy in that one), £100 for transfers, £200 for flights and you also get some instruction. And they need to make a profit. The others I agree, are expensive, but that is why I DIY.

Same as my last holiday. Glasgow to Hong Kong (Kowloon) for 4 days in the old 5* Langham (I think it is called Corvis now), Singapore for 4 days (4.5* boutique), then back to Hong Kong on a beach resort for 2 days. Flights were Lufthansa business (upstairs on 747 with beds). How much would that cost in a package for two? £8k? EG the flights are normally £2-3k in Biz so £4K each is not wild.

However, I got the flights in the Lufthansa BOGOF deal (£990 each = £120 more than economy). I know HK well so got a great deal on the hotel (and used points £230). I know Singapore well so didn't stay in the expensive centre but was in Katong (£300) (only £8 in a taxi to town). Probably £1500 each all in with business class flights and 11 days B+B. I've done it every months for 4 years going to Asia so I'm comfortable with it. However, not everyone is comfortable taking a chance on DIY.

So SCGB aren't doing anything different from other tour operators. It is just not me..... I would SH bash for ski and DIY for other holidays.
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On the rocks wrote:
@Dave of the Marmottes,I’ve never seen the point of Freshtracks On piste holidays. And the Reps have not been a necessary part of off piste Freshtracks holidays, indeed on occasions they have been a hindrance. All I (and many others) want is a reasonable choice of venues and dates to ski off piste with others of similar ability and ambition. This is what Freshtracks offers and also the limited number of snowHeads off piste bashes. I’m not sure the other bashes do? Snow works offer similar but in a more rigid format. My ideal was when I used to enjoy unguided non taught off piste holidays with a bunch of my climbing mates, but unfortunately they’re into other things now.


I think you're hitting on the SCGB sweetspot and key problem to be resolved. A lot of members who like to ski off-piste but who do not necessarily have the confidence in themselves or possibly each other to self organise on a peer to peer basis. Back when you could have a rep/leader/shambassador in that role there at least was a certain formality and reassurance to the peer-peer process even if objectively the risks could be managed no better or worse than an ad-hoc group of similar experience and competence. So the only solution now is Freshtracks holidays which probably work for those who are well versed in them but on the face of it do not look overly attractive to outsiders.

One thing that is different about sH bashes is that the very great majority of people who end up on them tend not to be bothered about ranking themselves or caring if they ski up or down from their "level" at all. Thus it is relatively easy to find groups of people who are interested in doing similar stuff and having the freedom to drop in or out down to individual preferences. Now that doesn't mean you'd have many takers for bootpacking the steepest sketchiest couloir around at dawn but it certainly means you'd have people interested in seeking out the best windbuff on a given day or chasing the corn harvest round the mountain.
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Some spam mail hit my junk mail folder this morning
4 May 2021


Dear "EX Member",


I last wrote to you with the Club’s annual report, presented to members during our online AGM in November. Six months later, there is news to share as we reach the end of the 2020/21 (non-) ski season. Summarised briefly here, my main reason for writing is to invite you to join Council, your staff and fellow members next week for an online catch-up and discussion. Details are at the end of this email.


But may I please begin by thanking you for staying with your Club during a season when for most of us no on-snow activities were possible. For me, the winter of 2020 is the first in 31 years during which I haven’t been on skis. No club can survive for long without the continuing support of its members and all of us – our staff, your Council and fellow members – really do appreciate your loyalty during this extraordinary and tough period.


Your support has been especially important as we worked to return the Club to financial stability and deal with the impact of a full season during which we have been unable to provide on-snow activities or run holidays for our members. I am therefore pleased to be able to tell you that, after incurring losses of £2m in the two years to April 2020, the Club expects to finish the year to April 2021 with a small surplus. This is the result of much hard work by a smaller staff team, reducing overheads and limiting operating losses in the absence of a holiday programme, and the satisfactory performance of the Club’s investments during the period. The value of the Club’s assets has been maintained for the first time in many years and this should provide a stable foundation for our return to the mountains next winter.


Your Council has been strengthened by new directors elected in November and each is playing an active role in moving our Club forward. In January we created a number of advisory groups for Council, involving both directors and staff and providing additional focus and manpower for each of our activities.


For much of 2020, our staff were very capably managed by Angus Maciver. Angus returned to Council as a full (co-opted) member at the beginning of 2021 and has our grateful thanks for a job well done. From a large number of suitable applicants, his successor has today been appointed. Before a formal announcement is made, members will first have an opportunity to meet the Club’s new General Manager during next week’s meeting.


One of our significant concerns in returning to financial stability has been the annual cost (£220,000) of our premises at Connect House in Wimbledon. The lease runs to 2025 and we are currently in discussion about a possible buyout of the remaining term. This would be expensive but, if successful, provide certainty about future costs at a much reduced level. I will say more about this at next week’s meeting.


I am writing this email to you as governments across Europe consider how to plan a return to their beaches and (in our case) mountains. There is still no certainty, but you can be assured that your Club will be with you every snow step of the way. I hope that you will be able to join other members next week to meet and discuss our plans. The catch-up will be on Wednesday 12 May at 17:00 (UK time) and a Zoom link will be sent to you at the beginning of the week.


With my best wishes,


Trevor Campbell Davis

Chairman

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@snowornever, I just got the same one! I'm also an ex-member, so am amused by the wording Smile
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@snowornever, As an "ex-member" you have received more emails than I ever received when I was a member!
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SCGB makes it's first profit in a season it provides zero to members. Hmm maybe there is a lesson here........ wink

All ex-members invited should join his Zoom call to make the point that they are EX members for a reason and really challenge them on what they are going to do about it......


And they've actually appointed a new servant leader ....should be entertaining


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Oops.

Digital ineptitude aside, perhaps they have worked out that freebies for foul mouthed racists are quite expensive?

They've managed to find their next blame carrier, then.
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I got same communication.

Of course it is very easy to make a small surplus if (a) your investments are doing well (b) you collected membership fees, provided almost nothing in return and failed to offer full or part-refunds or deferments like other clubs have done, (c) you've had furlough monies and rate rebates and (allegedly) a huge discount from the landlords (d) you couldn't run holidays and therefore not make the usual losses on them. I'm sure there's more. It's just fake financial stability. Point (b) is the elephant in the room by the way.

The lease of £220k pa has 4 years to run. So how much to buy out an almost £1m liability? Any guesses? If they are really lucky, the landlords have someone lined up so might go for 50% but they can just sit tight for 4 years and do nothing.

Meanwhile, can you imagine what the paying membership numbers look like? The graph was heading south east even in the good times but must be almost vertically south by now.

I wish the new GM Servant the best of luck, she (someone has suggested) is going to need all of that and more besides.
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Pruman wrote:


I wish the new GM Scapegoat the best of luck, she (someone has suggested) is going to need all of that and more besides.


FIFY. It would of course be a huge feather in the cap if she/he pulls off the feat of steering the Titanic away from the iceberg everyone but Council can see.
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she (someone has suggested) is going to need all of that and more besides.

One assumes this is not the long-awaited return of Caroline.
Then let me be the first to congratulate Gerry finally coming out as trans.
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@Super Chap Great Bloke, Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Why is there enough interest in this club to fill nearly 30 pages of this forum? As far as I am aware, SCGB is what it says, a club for Brits who like skiing. No one has to join it, it has no and claims no authority over where skiers go or what they do. If people do not consider it is something in which they have any interest, fair enough. There is UK Hand Knitting Association which I have no interest in joining but I do not take to websites or social media to bang on about what they do wrong or paint caricatures of its members. Am I missing a juicy scandal, such as a SCGB chairman having an affair with a Snowheads eminence. Puzzled Or is it an attempt at inverse marketing, arouse interest by saying something is awful and more will try it?

Of course I do not need to read this thread, but it keeps rising to the top of the list which made me curious.
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Well to be fair SCGB keep sticking their nose in non members business by their inability to manage a mailing list of current members.

But this thread is probably doing a better job of holding the leadership to account than their own now non-existent forum (plus it no doubt irks @Gerry so silver linings and all that).
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@Thorney,
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Why is there enough interest in this club to fill nearly 30 pages of this forum?


Because many are current or ex-SCGB members taking an interest. Also it's a bit like a car crash when passers by just can't stop rubbernecking. Oh and it winds Gerry up Laughing
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@Thorney, there has always been quite a large intersection between the sets: snowHeads and SCGB members, for a number of reasons, some of which are pretty obvious.
There may well be an intersection of snowHeads and UKHKA members too but I don't doubt it's a much smaller subset.
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halfhand wrote:
it's a bit like a car crash when passers by just can't stop rubbernecking. Oh and it winds Gerry up Laughing


This!

Oh, and they kicked us off their forum, so, schadenfreude! Twisted Evil
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This forum has since its inception been a much more useful (for me, at least) source of information about skiing in general and the SCGB in particular than the SCGB's own website. I did not renew my SCGB subscription in October so it was a nice surprise to receive the letter from the Chairman. I may renew it for next winter in order to go on one or, hopefully, two of their off-piste holidays.
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Thorney wrote:
Why is there enough interest in this club to fill nearly 30 pages of this forum? ... Of course I do not need to read this thread, but it keeps rising to the top of the list which made me curious.
You may find that it is necessary to read the posts to understand why they exist.

Personally I've never been a member of their organisation, nor held any opinion on it until their committee
members started abusing me on this forum.

It is strange to receive written abuse from a legitimate organisation's public representative.
Hence I put some effort into finding out why they behave that way - this thread contains some of the answers.
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I can't believe I was not aware of the UKHKA! It is a shame about the HKAGB but that's just how things go in these modern times. Same needles, same thread, new grannies in town. RIP.
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