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This shows why a 360 is the way to go vs ordinary GoPro

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Oh well looks like a new toy is on the cards!

Mate took his 360 out and the results are amazing!

What you can do with the footage is quite incredible, however, getting it to a final edit is a tad more demanding, but once sussed is pretty good. Then the fun n'games of transferring it from an Ipad to a LapTop.

And when watching the vid you might think what's the big deal, so think how was the filming achieved without someone pointing and turning the camera if that makes sense?


http://youtube.com/v/elFEPGBMOtg
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Yes that is impressive.
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nice, what's it mounted to?
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What model of camera is this ?
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@endoman, selfie stick in back-pack

@sheffskibod, it's the Insta360 One X though see that a new camera has just been launched the "R" but reading reviews there are a few glitches and if you already have a GoPro you don't need one as such, but then the "R" combines the functionality of both.

I've been playing around editing my mate's footage and it's quite confusing, but slowly getting there.

So will pull a trigger me thinks as the OH is super keen!
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Ta. Great idea re the mount. May see if I can do that with mine.
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yup I've used mine twice, and wouldn't go back to a "normal" GoPro now

The GoPro Max is waterproof without any covering, hence why I got that over the Insta360 - plus a £100 trade in for any (not even working) digital camera on the GoPro site!

https://gopro.com/en/gb/shop/tradeup


http://youtube.com/v/9McJDj6lRH0
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@kitenski, so the max gets you 360 deg functionality over the hero 8 for an extra £100 ? My kid is after one for parachuting climbing skiing etc.. Can it record in both 360 and normal mode simultaneously ?
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skimottaret wrote:
Can it record in both 360 and normal mode simultaneously ?
No and yes. It will record in either 360 mode or normal mode, not both at the same time. But it is designed so that when you record in 360 mode, after the fact you can 'punch in' and select a normal frame size from anywhere in the 360 field of view (and move it around at will). The only downside to this is that the video quality of this 'punched in' viewpoint will not be quite as good as a regular GoPro camera on its best video setting, but it's close enough for most purposes and the advantage of being able to reframe your video after you have recorded it is invaluable in some situations.
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@rob@rar, I take it you have one ! That makes sense and to me sounds like most of the framing and direction of view is done during editing as what would appear as per the tail end of Kitenskis video... Is the editing then more of a pain/involved when using 360 mode?
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skimottaret wrote:
@rob@rar, I take it you have one !
wink Not the GoPro Max, I have an Insta360 One X. Plus a normal GoPro.

skimottaret wrote:
That makes sense and to me sounds like most of the framing and direction of view is done during editing as what would appear as per the tail end of Kitenskis video... Is the editing then more of a pain/involved when using 360 mode?
The editing adds an extra step, but not too onerous, and it can be done as easily on a phone as it can be on a desktop computer. The Insta 360 and GoPro software have 'AI' functions which take your footage and have a go at editing / reframing it using their algorithms, as well as full manual control which is fairly easy to learn.
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Yes, they are great - I've had my insta 360 one x for a year now and the quality of the footage is incredible. I can definitely recommend it. Editing it in the app is so straight forward, very easily done on a phone.

We actually had a thread all about 360 cams this time last year when they were a relatively new concept in case any one wants to take a browse...

https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=142099&highlight=360
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thanks chappies, looks like a GoPro Max is coming the kids way, might even have to borrow it to test out Wink
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I've had fun playing with the Insta360 One X too.

Super easy to edit the footage right on your phone, and you can output it in a lot of different ways.

Real 360° so the viewer you can swipe and choose their POV:


http://youtube.com/v/IWhRY_vHUkY

Helmet mount 'flat' video:


http://youtube.com/v/R3KlpvIMeok

Generally I think the videos look best in vertical format as you get more of the skis/skier in shot, and it's also much more watchable on mobile and most social media - apart from YouTube...


http://youtube.com/v/YEPk4CJ_lWE

@Weathercam, did you just stick the 'invisible selfie stick' in your backpack for that video, or did you stabilise it somehow?
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@clarky999, it was my mate filming us etc he just had the invisible selfie stick in his back-pack
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clarky999 wrote:
... Generally I think the videos look best in vertical format as you get more of the skis/skier in shot, and it's also much more watchable on mobile and most social media - apart from YouTube... ...

I hate vertical format, but of course each to their own. Perhaps it's a question of what you're used to; I tend to assume it's people who haven't worked out how to rotate their phone wink

You need a longer pole. Size doesn't really matter except when it does:
Blue River 2019-2020 from phil 45464
https://vimeo.com/383277860

The main compromise is quality - the sensors have a bit more resolution, but a lot more of the world to cover, and you're going to crop into that fairly brutally.
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For the Pro users GoPro have a very good Premiere Pro plugin which will supposedly let you output the same edited footage in all sorts of formats from vertical to landscape etc. I love the way he uses the camera to transition between scenes in this


http://youtube.com/v/sHzex7EnkCI
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The premiere pro plugin is really good - way better than phone editing. There's a good tutorial on using it on youtube from abe kislevitz.

Found it easy with a couple of screens to follow the tips side by side with my footage and got some decent results.


http://youtube.com/v/gy5zClAirQU

Been loving my gopro max. Haven't had a chance to use it in snow but have been sticking it on the front of my surfboard and got some cool shots. The stills from it are great fun too.



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@hang11, what device are you running premiere pro on?? Are you on the adobe subscription model?
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Surface Pro 4 I7 plugged into a 27" screen. 3 year old PC, runs fine. I am on the sub model (taking advantage of student pricing my kids get).
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@hang11, nice, no GPU needed then??? How long does it take to render??
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It's pretty quick. Get the odd crash but it's fine. I'm not waiting so long that I'm thinking about new hardware (which I would like an excuse to buy). Typically only been playing with smaller bits of footage though - couple of minutes edited down to 20 second parts.
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@kitenski, interesting questions, I have Premier Elements but the plug-in is pro only and as my internet here in Serre Che is bollox not too sure about the viability, but sure does take a lot of the editing hassle out from the looks of things, should be ok though......

But do you get the same sweet functionality of moving the iPad etc ?
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@Weathercam, I’ve done my edits on an old 10.2” iPad Pro, seems “good enough”, not very granular on scene/view selection but seems to render pretty fast.
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Premier is desktop software, just needs a net connection to verify the licence, and that is only every couple of weeks, so it can be used with no innerweb.
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@hang11, what’s the cheapest way to buy Premiere without a monthly sub?

Tried my Max in a backpack, think I prefer the angles you can get when holding it on a pole as per the first part of this. Having fun mucking around with transitions


http://youtube.com/v/DQi5L_K2ofs
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@kitenski, not sure you can these days. Think it’s all sub based. Not cheap but my kids need it for uni so I use their student discount - costs me $40 Nz - 20 quid - a month for the whole suite. I use some of the other software for work as well so it’s a necessary cost.

I think the GoPro software for editing footage on Mac is about to be released for windows so that may end up being the best way to go because it’s free. Think it’s in final testing.
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@hang11, cheers
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