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Shadow skier/ chaperone Les Arc 1950 - 5th April 2029 5/6 days

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Hi, so we are booked to go skiing from 5th April for a week in Les arc 1950. My 9 year old son has been diagnosed with epilepsy, which is controlled well with medicine. However, the worried mum in me is worried about what would happen if he had a seizure whilst on the ski lift with ski school. I don’t want to take him out of ski school, because they love the experience and meeting friends. The ski school can’t help me. So I’m looking for a baby sitter/ chaperone / shadow skier to follow his class and sit next to him on the ski lifts.

He’s a good little skier (reds/blacks) and is 9 years old. Does anyone have any suggestions where I might be able to fine someone to follow him for the week?
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@Bunches, Great that you're not letting that stop skiing, although I can understand your concern. Are the lessons already booked? If so, how many and how long each day?
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Couldn't the family take it in turns to follow/sit with him?
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We haven't booked yet - but if we can find a solution they will be 2 hours each morning from Sun - Friday with Spirit 1950
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Try the Les Arcs seasonaires Facebook page
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Can the instructor not get on the lift with him each time? That’s what I would do.
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The ski school have said the instructor can not sit with him everytime as it is too much responsibility. we are so gutted. the change of a seizure is really low, but I do need an adult to be on the lift, just in case.

Any other solutions? I really do want my children to enjoy ski school and make friends
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+1 for what Alasdair has said. The seasonaires in LA are a great bunch and I'm sure someone or a combination of them will definitely be able to help you out. The is a page dedicated to English speaking seasonaires, if that's what you'd require.
Might also be worth asking on the main Les Arcs thread on here. I really hope you get some help. If I were in resort at that point I'd do it myself
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@Bunches, I hope you get a solution, but the answer must surely be a family member? Would a seasonaire really want the responsibility should your son have a seizure if an instructor won't? What will the instructor do if he has a seizure on the piste? too much responsibility then as well?
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Couldn't the family take it in turns to follow/sit with him?


This.....if the instructor won’t take responsibility how can a random stranger be expected to? What are they meant to do in the worst case scenario?
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I’m not looking for a random and I’m not expecting anyone to ‘take responsibility’. I just want, should anything happen there to be an adult next to him on the chair, so that no one panics. It’s very unlikely to happen as his epilepsy is controlled with medicine. I have not posted on the sessionaires group, because it is too wide open and anyone could respond. I was asking on here, if anyone knows of someone who would be suitable - as I am looking for someone who understands the situation, is capable and would be suitable to follow a ski school, they aren't going to just let anyone follow their class.

I am not able to follow his ski school - as I’m not technically able to ski black runs. So we have an issue there. I’m exploring options. if I don't find a solution then we will have to cancel our holiday. so a little less judgement please and if anyone knows of someone who is suitable, then do please let me know. Various people would be suitable for this.

Epilepsy is very common and not life threatening (unless unsupervised on a ski lift).

Thank you for your comments and please if anyone knows of teacher, guide or a nanny who would be suitable, please do get in touch


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I don't know if this company could help? Worth an enquiry. https://www.disabilitysnowsport.org.uk/
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@Bunches, seriously, I am not a panic person but if a child I had been asked to sit with were to have a seizure I would feel very responsible for what happens on the chair. What is the adult expected to do...just sit there and say out loud "don't worry" to the rest of the passengers, in a language they might not understand? Would they need to hold on to him? not touch him?

I can understand the dilemma, but you are asking a big ask but saying that you don't expect the person to take responsibility.

You edited your post while i was typing. I hope you don't think I am being judgemental - it's not my intention - but simply pointing out what it might feel like for the person on the chair.

you say " they aren't going to just let anyone follow their class". They can't stop people skiing near the class - it's an open piste

Kitenski makes a good call with disability snowsport uk


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thank you - I have emailed them, but they look to be UK based, but they might have contacts in the alps
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How about upgrading to a private instructor, but asking if they can stay with the group. This way he gets the social side, but has a full time companion.

This would solve the problem not just of chair lifts, but also what happens if he is 500m behind (and 100m vertical difference) the ski instructor whilst skiing and needs assistance.
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I am only asking for options before I cancel the holiday. I am not asking for anyone who does not feel comfortable to follow his ski school. the ski school have no issue with him being in their class, they just can not commit to the ski instructor sitting next to him. The have said they will be happy for us to find a baby sitter to follow.

My sons neurologist has said we absolutely should not cancel the holiday and that we should go ahead as planned. BUT I as a mother am not happy with not worrying about it.

Epilepsy is very common, I am sure there are many skiiers who ski with it and I am sure there are many seizures on the slopes. its a very tough one.

Ultimately our option to cancel, I have to pay the final balance this month, so a decision must be made in the next week
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@Bunches, just book a separate private instructor from the same school (may be even with adaptive skiing qualification) and ask them to follow the class
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Thank you, that is a great suggestion and I have sent the email, praying they agree to that, thank you.
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@snowdave, Thank you - I have everything crossed they will agree to this
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@Bunches, Best wishes for a positive outcome.
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So apparently the ski school cant do that either, it's not possible for the private ski instructor from the same ski school to follow or interact with the ski school. I have asked if my kids can go to the lunch club, but not holding out much hope for that either! I had head such good things about 1950's ski school
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If you havent already, try New Gen https://www.skinewgen.com/ski-schools/les-arcs/ they run very small groups and may be more accomodating
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If you havent already, try New Gen https://www.skinewgen.com/ski-schools/les-arcs/ they run very small groups and may be more accomodating


Thank you very much I will try. I have much to my shame, I have just called Sprit 1950 and broken down in tears, because now they tell me after 3 weeks of emails, that the week is already fully booked for lessons and the only private lesson available it 12-2, which is not going to help my children make friends. The poor guy who answered the phone felt sorry for me and said he will ask again for a private lesson for the morning, then they can go to the lunch club.

all they want is to ski and make friends and my son doesn't want a fuss and be singled out and all I want is that they are safe. we have found a ski lift harness that he will wears under his jacket and clips it to the chair lift, so in the event of the absolute worst case happening and him having a seizure he will be secure and safe.
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I can't believe this has been so difficult to resolve!
For a start, lower level instructors, as they train, are required to shadow fully qualified instructors as they teach.
Anyone with a level 1 qualification upwards has had to be CRB checked (afaik). They'll have done first aid and they'll be capable of skiing pisted terrain.
This seems like the perfect opportunity for someone to pick up a few shadowing hours and just be on hand to lend a hand as necessary.
Maybe post in the Bend Ze Knees forum as that's where budding instructors tend to hang out?

Are you needing someone local? I'm assuming you don't have spare space in your accom to bring someone along? Or do you?
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@admin, that’s exactly the kind of solution I had hoped for. He’s incredibly unlikely to have a seizure, I just wanted an adult to sit next to him for safety’s sake. I’ve offered to pay and begged that they must have a trainee that could shadow. I’ve tried everything. The irony of the trip is that we only booked to go to Les Arc 1950, because I wanted the kids to go to that specific Spirit 1950 school. I pick the school then the resort. And they have been so so so unhelpful.

Sadly New Generation in 2000 is also full now, because I’ve wasted weeks trying to sort it out in 1950.

No room for any extra, as we’re on the sofa is it is! :0)
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Try also Esprit Ski, they are British holiday operator rather than school, but for younger kids (not sure about 9+) they will always have someone shadowing the class to look after non-skiing needs. May be they can accomodate your son in one of their classes?

https://www.espritski.com/resorts/les-arcs-2000/
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@admin, It might have been easier to setup somewhere that was running instructor courses, New Gen don't seem to have any in Les Arcs.
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@rjs, indeed - I wondered about the accom as I thought I might send Dark Lord Cuddles* in to save the day and do a bit of shadowing.
(Although he'd probably assert that now he has a 'life' I can't just send him skiing all the time when it suits me Toofy Grin )


*my son
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@Bunches, it might be worth trying Evolution 2, who have a school in 1950. We found them very helpful in completely different circumstances, their attitude was much more helpful than most schools.

Edit: just checked and they appear to have children's ski school availability that week


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we booked before the diagnosis! we booked in July and he had his first seizure in August. so it wasn't in the planning when we orginally booked our holiday. New Generation have been amazing, but can't do any thing in LA as all booked up, but, they have managed to find a great instructor in Val D'Isere that would let them join the class and is totally happy to sit next my son on the lift, so he would get to go to Ski School. so frantically looking into if we can switch our PV accommodation. But ... we were going for 9 days (tunnels etc booked) from the 2nd April, so don't think we will be able switch as finding 9 days accom isn't that straight forward.

It's been flipping hard work, I know that!
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@sj1608, sadly that is the school that I am currently trying to organise this with
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Mmmm, I now see that the ski school on the Evolution 2 website is called Spirit 1950, but the name suggests it's actually a 3rd party rather than Evolution themselves. And it's definitely showing availability for lessons that week.......
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I am not doing well... so now all private lessons for the mornings have been booked up for that week. The only place that has private lessons still available is ESI 1800 - would it be possible to ski down to 1800 in the mornings from 1950 - or do I need lifts to be open?
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I am not doing well... so now all private lessons for the mornings have been booked up for that week. The only place that has private lessons still available is ESI 1800 - would it be possible to ski down to 1800 in the mornings from 1950 - or do I need lifts to be open?
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@Bunches, sorry, can't help with your latest question.

If you are prepared to ditch PV and take the hit if they can't transfer you to Val, then post on the Solutions Room of chaletsdirect.com to see if anyone can help with accommodation.

An appeal to PV on social media might also be worth a go.......
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@Bunches, May be just accept that this season you will simply ski all together without lessons, have a good time and next time prepare well in advance. Don't blame yourself, it sounds the diagnosis derailed your plans and you did all you could.

Btw, more often than not ski schools will have someone available for private lessons on the day. Just pop into the office and ask when you are there. I do it quite often and they always find someone, during busy school holidays period too.

About skiing down to 1800, it will involve taking a lift, don't think it's feasible to do in time for morning lessons

Don't let this put off, go and have a good time
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@Bunches, how does the harness work? It's not something I've ever seen used.
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We haven’t got it yet, but it looks like the right thing. I’ve also read a few blogs I’d skiers with epilepsy who all mention wearing a harness to make them feel far safer.
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