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Tecnica Zero-G Tour Pro - first impressions

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From LeeLau on TGR:

I've used almost every Intuition possible including all the Wrap liners. The PowerWrap for eg was too much of a compromise for ROM but added approx 10pts of stiffness and was warm. The Pro-Wrap (I think that's the name of the red one) was ungodly stiff. Only big boys could make those work and my 78kgs barely budged them so they got binned.

I've stuck a 27 TourWrap in my 26.5 Tecnica Zero G Tour Pros after my stock liners started packing out (after 60+ days mind you). Keep in mind a size 26 tecnica is like a sz 27 Scarpa or Dynafit. The TourWrap took up room but in such a good way! When i go to downhill mode the heelhold is like a vice; this is good. Instep pressure was a bit much pre-cook but excellent after cooking. Same with forefoot. Best of all is that the warmth of the liner is much appreciated as I'm a wimpy coastal Canuck and -20deg C got my feet cold. When touring the liner is a chameleon and is beautifully comfortable for walking.

As a data point I tried the old ZGTP liners in one day and a pair of older ProTour Intution liners also. I feel like both of those liners are at least 5 pts less stiffer than the TourWrap. I guess if I had to reach that the TourWrap didn't tour as well but I'd be micro-parsing to find the difference. Bottom line is that a boot like the ZGTP (or the HawX XTD) with 55 degrees of ROM has more useable ROM than most ankles can feel anyhow so maybe there's the reality check.

With 10 days on the Tour Wraps I am totally satisfied. I am trying some thin footbeds in them to fart around but that's curiosity more than anything

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/319494-Intuition-Tour-Wrap
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@BobinCH, I am wondering if you don't just need to spend some more time in them? I've had a couple of crappy days feeling very minus mojo but have now got my head around them. And am quite happy ... they're not plug race boots but that wasn't the question.

Was supposed to go touring with the filles who ski this morning but they've bailed on account of it not being sunny enough. So it'll just be me and the sis in law wandering up La Tour. In the clouds.
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@under a new name, in my experience you can tell pretty quickly if a setup works or not. I like the boots, but they definitely work better for me with a more solid liner. That seems to be a common experience from here and elsewhere. My liners are old and one of the tongues is broken hence the reason for looking at some new ones. And the Kastle / Xenics combo was not working so why not try the binding shim - Spyderjon’s reco is good enough for me. If I’ve got it wrong I’m pretty confident the guys in Sole will tell me! The beauty of SnowHeads collective wisdom (hopefully) Happy
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@BobinCH, that's usually my experience as well, but I knew this was going to be a bit of a leap so I anticipated a ohmygodwhathaveidone moment (Which happened) but also a Imadethisdecisionandhavetolivewithitforawhile period and it seems to have turned out OK.

If I had an infinite budget (on a scale of a few infinities) I'd probably be back in the shop acquiring a pair of Mach1s ... but I don't and I have a very frowny Mrs U who was not impressed by some comments the other night over touring boots longevity ... wink
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@under a new name, you bought the Z-G TP’s as a touring boot or quiver of one boot? For me it is just for touring - I have some Nordica Speedmachine 130’s which are much more supportive and robust for downhill. To be fair, I can remember the day, not so long ago, when you were unconvinced of the need for any ski beyond a 65mm waist so the transformation to Mantras and Touring Boots is quite something snowHead
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@BobinCH, Happy quiver of one!

That’s what moving to Cham does for you!

I’ll be telemarking next. Madeye-Smiley
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I’ll be telemarking next. Madeye-Smiley


Definitely easier to do with touring bindings and boots than alpine stuff... but I'd love to see that. Toofy Grin
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@BobinCH, Take the shim idea to the back of your mind for now, so many other parameters to effect things, let's see how the boots are first and see how we can change the balance from there, you'll be with Seb.
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under a new name wrote:
@BobinCH, I am wondering if you don't just need to spend some more time in them? I've had a couple of crappy days feeling very minus mojo but have now got my head around them. And am quite happy ... they're not plug race boots but that wasn't the question.

Was supposed to go touring with the filles who ski this morning but they've bailed on account of it not being sunny enough. So it'll just be me and the sis in law wandering up La Tour. In the clouds.


I'm happy in the stock liner - for now (~10 days in them?) but there is more faff than the Cochise getting it right and like @BobinCH I m running 2 boots and so I see the difference frequently. I d be expecting to use the Intuition liner (if I indeed get it) in both boots potentially, as I do occasionally tour in the Cochise (i.e. on a trip, I can take more than 1 pair skis but 2 pairs of boots is pushing it...). And with the snow pack this year I suspect my European skiing is definitely going to be Earn Your Turns Confused Puzzled
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This was my problem. I wanted touring boots (almost doubled my skinning experience by now) and have been hankering after a 1 boot quiver for years. @zzz convinced me it was a good idea ...
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@under a new name, don't go blaming me Wink
I come from a one boot quiver of Maestrale rs. These are easy better than those.
On a different note I have a pair of Kore 99's on test tomoz.
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@zzz, well, I seem to have got used to them Happy just about.

At the end of the day I used to not bother with many of my clips anyway.
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So after a visit to the very nice Seb @ Sole yesterday I have a variety of inserts to play with. Already feeling better today. Let’s see on the crusty variable stuff!
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BobinCH wrote:
So after a visit to the very nice Seb @ Sole yesterday I have a variety of inserts to play with. Already feeling better today. Let’s see on the crusty variable stuff!

what was Sebs verdict on the problem?
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BobinCH wrote:
So after a visit to the very nice Seb @ Sole yesterday I have a variety of inserts to play with. Already feeling better today. Let’s see on the crusty variable stuff!

what was Sebs verdict on the problem?


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Front spoilers added to add a bit more resistance, ramp under right heel to address lack of flexion in right ankle and some 3-4mm pads under forefoot to counter the delta angle. Definitely made a difference although the pads crush my toes a bit. Reckon @spyderjon has nailed it with the binding shim. Also noticed my wife’s 164cm FX96’s are mounted a fair bit further back despite similar ski shape. Both are at recommended point. If I get the shim wondering whether it’s worth moving the mount back a bit?
Front of the skis are almost alongside each other...
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164's vs ?
Also different skis have the mount point line in very different places depending on how the designer feels bindings should be mounted, the recommended mount point on my DPS 112's is a couple of cm back from the all-mountain line on my Faction CT 3.0's and the "Candide" line is 3cm further forward!!!
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KenX wrote:
164's vs ?


vs 178

Ski shape very similar, the TX98 has an earlier rise tip than the FX96. Tails almost identical. TX is touring range, FX freeride range. I guess a more centre mounted position may be better for touring?
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https://backcountrymagazine.com/gear/whats-inside-counts-master-bootfitters-guide-footbeds-liners/

Some interesting thoughts here
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@Dabber, love a chap who knows how to use the word "distal"... wink
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and,

"You marry your boots, you date your skis. "

I have quite a few pairs of skis...
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BobinCH wrote:
Front spoilers added to add a bit more resistance, ramp under right heel to address lack of flexion in right ankle and some 3-4mm pads under forefoot to counter the delta angle. Definitely made a difference although the pads crush my toes a bit.


Really? Definitely your technique! Wink
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BobinCH wrote:
I put some old intuitions in and it made a big difference. The stock liners are much lighter/thinner and quickly got squishy in challenging conditions (this was on my 2nd day skiing them).


I'm not saying that my Mk1 liners (no idea if they have changed to a Mk2) have packed out after 36 days skiing - but comfort was achieved again last week by adding a 40mm wide strip of 5mm mouse mat down the shin between the (laced in) tongue and boot! This was only a temporary solution because the boots were returned to Tecnica yesterday and I don't know whether they will provide new liners and shells or just shells.
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I did my first tour in my Zero G Pro’s yesterday, covering 5.5km and 850m vertical. My first impressions are as expected, way lighter than my previous Atomic Waymaker Tours, with much better articulation.

I’m still working on the tightness/looseness of the buckles as on my right boot I was getting pressure on the inside front of my right ankle, but only on very flat or downhill sections, the steeper it got the pressure disappeared. Tightening the 3rd buckle (as opposed to having it lose), helped a lot, so I guess my foot was moving slightly. My left foot which usually causes all the trouble was perfect (fingers crossed).

On a side note the ATK Crests I’m using for the first time seem really solid, they tour beautifully, and I didn’t notice them on the down, or the delta angle which must not be that different to Dynafit ST’s which I skied on yesterday.
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@PowderAdict, I did my longest (in all 3 dimensions, time distance and vertical) rando today and they were just great. I still think there's some fettling to be done for the down, and possibly a bit of packing to get the liner a wee bit snugger, but really pleased so far.
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@under a new name, concur. Great on the up. Light, comfortable, good range of movement. For the down the Intuition Pro Tour liner makes a significant difference! In addition there’s a thick shin plate added by Seb from Sole. With these mods, I’m also very happy with the down. Amazing support for such a light boot! I’m going to shim the Xenic binding as I’m sure the delta angle is hindering getting the skis flat.
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I’ve got over 2700m on mine now over 4 tours, including reaching the summit of this erratic rock in the middle of the glacier on the way to the Fluchthorn (3790m) Very Happy

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The boots are great, and the only thing I miss compared to my Waymaker’s is the Boost power strap. I’ve had the Boost strap on my boots for 10+ years, and I’d forgotten how soft they make the end of the flex. That being said, the convenience of the quick release on the Tecnica outweighs that.


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BobinCH wrote:
@under a new name, concur. Great on the up. Light, comfortable, good range of movement. For the down the Intuition Pro Tour liner makes a significant difference! In addition there’s a thick shin plate added by Seb from Sole. With these mods, I’m also very happy with the down. Amazing support for such a light boot! I’m going to shim the Xenic binding as I’m sure the delta angle is hindering getting the skis flat.


Did you get the normals "Intuition pro tour" or that "hybrid" that Sole have? Are much worse than originals Palau on the up?

I'm still skiing the originals Palau in my ZeroG Guide, but after 60 days I'm starting to think changing them, maybe next season..
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@AlTom, Mine are the ones from Sole - there’s a picture of them a few pages back.

For me they are fine on the up. Obviously a bit bulkier and heavier than the originals but that’s a small price to pay for the support on the down, especially in tricky snow.

I’m keeping the stock liners for much longer tours where the reduced weight / additional comfort is more important than the downhill
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BobinCH wrote:
I put some old intuitions in and it made a big difference. The stock liners are much lighter/thinner and quickly got squishy in challenging conditions (this was on my 2nd day skiing them).


I'm not saying that my Mk1 liners (no idea if they have changed to a Mk2) have packed out after 36 days skiing - but comfort was achieved again last week by adding a 40mm wide strip of 5mm mouse mat down the shin between the (laced in) tongue and boot! This was only a temporary solution because the boots were returned to Tecnica yesterday and I don't know whether they will provide new liners and shells or just shells.


Tecnica have thrown away my nearly two year old Zero G Guide Pro's and are very kindly sending me some "Cochise Light Dyn" under warranty (apparently a different colour, but otherwise virtually identical to the originals).
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Anyone else had trouble with the walk to ski lever falling off? Appears to be attached with 2 bolts. I have had the top of the 2 totally fall out twice now. Both times fortunate to find the piece on disengagement and then get it reattached at shop that had a matching replacement screw. I'm thinking of applying some loc-tite myself at home before the next failure.
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mr. mike wrote:
Anyone else had trouble with the walk to ski lever falling off? Appears to be attached with 2 bolts. I have had the top of the 2 totally fall out twice now. Both times fortunate to find the piece on disengagement and then get it reattached at shop that had a matching replacement screw. I'm thinking of applying some loc-tite myself at home before the next failure.


Yup, same issue - started coming loose then I screwed it back in in time. I think loctite is the way ahead.
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@mr. mike, addressed on the previous page. You are not alone...
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As per the previous page, I had a look at the screws on mine. They were very tight – I'd have to apply a lot of force to release them, so I left them alone. Is this a folly I shall later regret on the side of a hill?
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@mr. mike, whether it’s a “recent” fix, the tecnica instructions for changing the forward lean include a directictive to use a loctite type glue ...
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Since the screws either come loose or are rock solid, maybe it was a missed manufacturing step or a change in process, so those with 'early' boots have the issue and it was then rectified.
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Just had a pair back after 200 days use, they're in great condition. Expected wear on soles, as to be expected in CHX after such a period. A buckle needs replacing, rivets need compressing to tighten pivot. Super impressed by this boot, to the degree I have to ask, "Why buy anything else."

All factor's considered.
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@under a new name, will break out the loctite when I return home. Need to get a screw in the correct length first, however. The replacement that the shop guy had to get me through yesterday is about 20% longer than is necessary...
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