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Hestra Army Leather Gore-Tex vs. Non-Gore-Tex

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Does anyone know if there is a substantial difference between the above two gloves? It's about £20-30 different in price but the Gore-Tex may be too efficient in keeping water out: some Gore-Tex lined boots I have are roasting hot when it gets warm.

I've got some of the older version of what are now called the Fall Line but were called Vertical Cut Freeride. They're a nice apple-green colour but I find they let water in at the back through the foam pad so am looking for something toastier. Any thoughts?
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My advice would be to go with the "Heli" version, which is not Goretex (not necessary unless you ski in the rain a lot).

The Heli have a removable liner for washing; are probably slightly warmer and more breathable (Goretex reduces breathability). The only caveat is, that in order to keep them snow-proof, they need regular applications of their Leather Balm. Mittens are warmer than Gloves....and Lobster Claws are the compromise.


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I’ve got the gore tex lobster mitts, and previously had non goretex heli mittens. I prefer the goretex, though it’s a shame the liners aren’t removable-which was a feature I liked on the standard mittens. I’d replaced the mitten liner with a five finger liner which I think was warmer. But I think (not having my lobsters to check, the lobsters have 5 finger liners. I also think they’re a bit more hard wearing.
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I've got both the goretex and non-goretex version of the 5-finger heli glove. They are great gloves, warm and I find them to be extremely durable.

I recently moved to the non-goretex version solely because of the benefits the removable liner has in terms of being able to be washed over having a rather smelly glove Skullie The smelly goretex ones are now the backup pair rolling eyes

I also started to have issues with the liner not sitting properly and also coming out of place within the finger holes of the gore-tex version after 2 years of use.
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Thanks very much, as I thought the Gore-Tex fabric will be too much. I'm going to find a nearby shop and go in for a look and at the same time try them on for size. I'll probably buy a liner as well so I can use them as a powder/foul weather pair and keep the Fall-line-type gloves for better days or if there's any ski mountaineering-type activity needed.

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justabod wrote:
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Perty wrote:
I’d replaced the mitten liner with a five finger liner which I think was warmer. But I think (not having my lobsters to check, the lobsters have 5 finger liners. I also think they’re a bit more hard wearing.


I have the lobster claws for my cold weather glove. The liner is also lobster claw.

Not worn them yet, end of season sale, but they are awesome, looking forward to January! Went non-gore tex due to liner.
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I found my old Goretex Heli ones. Must be 20 odd years old, only worn a couple of weeks then lost in the loft. Have a separate liner as well so I'll be treating the leather and using them this season.
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gravity-slave wrote:
Perty wrote:
I’d replaced the mitten liner with a five finger liner which I think was warmer. But I think (not having my lobsters to check, the lobsters have 5 finger liners. I also think they’re a bit more hard wearing.


I have the lobster claws for my cold weather glove. The liner is also lobster claw.

Not worn them yet, end of season sale, but they are awesome, looking forward to January! Went non-gore tex due to liner.


In VT at a shop that stocks Hestra and discussing what was the best option for a female friend that wanted something super toasty, we were told that the mittens where the fingers aren't separated are warmer than the ones where the fingers are. Supposedly its a bit of a heat island effect, vs having each finer insulated individually. Although not sure really what the data/evidence would suggest,
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I have a few hestra gloves.
I have, and have had, many pairs of the army leather goretex gloves. They are excellent. Skiied many hundreds of days and no problem with not having a removable liner. They have packed down a bit now so I use them with the hestra merino wool liners which are also really good. Because it can be a bit damp here, goretex ones are definitely the way to go.
I also have non-goretex hestra lobsters. I use these when it is really cold, being damp is not a problem then (because they don't get damp when it's really cold)
My son had the non goretex army leather ones and they definitely got wet through on damper days.
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I have the non goretex ones and either they don't get wet, or they do and the wool liner stays warm.

I'm not too bad at treating the leather.

I am not allowed to ski in the rain (Mrs thinks it's a preposterous idea),
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Definitely would go inside if it was raining, but the decision gets tougher when it is on the cusp: say, snowing at the top, but sleety, wet snow falling at the bottom. I would usually stay out and so waterproof gear, including GoreTex gloves, are important for enjoying those conditions.
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@ulmerhutte, naw, you do not need gore-tex gloves in that.
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Coming back to this: I've found these: https://skigloveshop.co.uk/product/hestra-heli-ski-outdry-gloves?id=1115. I did try the Hestra Gore-Tex but they didn't fit well as the palm is too short at the wrist. They were very toasty though which is a shame.

The pair above are v expensive but have a removable liner as well as having an 'Outdry' layer. Does anyone have any experience of this at all, is it actually waterproof? One article I read said it's good but not as good as Gore-Tex. The main thing is though that they fit well and are comfortable.

Does anyone know if I could put a warmer liner in them? They're described as "Heli" so despite being an old model will a new Heli liner fit in them?
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@justabod, fit is a very personal thing, and if the current Heli goretex gloves weren't the right shape for your hands these may not be either. You need to try them on yourself, rather than relying on internet opinions for fit.

Can't comment on the waterproofing, other than that the only truly waterproof gloves I've had were goretex (not hestra), and my hestra c zones were never fully waterproof.
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For a lot less you can get these. Okay, they are mitts but I've used these for the last three years.

https://www.nordicoutdoor.co.uk/army-leather-heli-ski-mitt-11894.html
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I think the Gore-tex ones have an extra layer of leather on both the thumb and index finger.
Should prolong the life of quite an expensive bit of kit.
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I have a non leather palmed version of the hestra mitts above and they are unbeleivably warm. Skied in minus 25 plus wind and they were ace.

Also have a pair of dainese goretex gloves that aren't very padded and they are perfect spring gloves, dry and no overheating.
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Hestra leather gloves keep for many years goretex/other membran do not keep that long, when bending all the time.

I would go for the non goretex and keep them waterproof by treating them with the smelly stuff.
https://hestragloves.com/sport/da-dk/gloves/alpine-pro/30572-army-leather-heli-ski/880/

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