 Poster: A snowHead
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There are various remarks on here and other forums that Salomons are "too floppy" are "punters skis", "supernoodles" etc etc.
Now for me I like 'em, they suit me, I just want to enjoy my skiing, go anywhere, on and off piste. I'm not the best skier in the world, but certainly not the worst either!
So, being serious, what do people dislike about them?
If I like the 1080s, what other skis would people suggest I try if I get the chance?
What difference would I find?
Main requirements are for a do anything ski, a typical week could be:
1-6 days off piste with/without a guide
half day skiing with my kids, ie slowly on greens/blues
if off piste is trashed hacking arounds reds/blacks, moguls on/off piste
I'm 5ft 10", 13 stone, 39 years old skied around 32 weeks (diary http://www.gregh.co.uk/html/skiweek.htm)
Some pics of me skiing on the 1080s....
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Gregh, you should try Volkl Karmas and K2 Public Enemies - similar to the 1080 in some ways, but more responsive, and longer lasting. (oh, and "supernoodles" is normally a reference to pocket rockets)
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I had a pair but they died after only 3 or 4 months skiing (hardish) on them. Apart from that it's a great ski. Can all the haters ski your line?
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Heard the new 1080 is pretty good...
Try a Stockli, from XL upwards, ski the Snakes longer than you'd think
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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gregh, don't listen to Wear The Fox Hat, he's got 'emotional problems' relating to Salomon ( WTFH  )
Seriously though - I've been skiing Pocket Rockets for about 3 seasons now and I would say my skiing pattern isn't too disimilar to yours. I ski for fun so don't want to have to work a ski too hard. At times I may be looking for,catching up with, herding, or ducking snowballs from the kids so I like a ski that doesn't force me to concentrate all the time.
I like to ignore piste markers as much as possible, taking shortcuts or alternate routes and I'd rather take on moguls than a crowded piste any day of the week.
Having tried the Volkl Karmas, I would disagree completely that they are similar. Although they may well be more responsive, they seemed a lot 'fussier' and unforgiving to me. It may just be a weekness in my technique, in fact I've no doubt it was, but going from PR's to Karmas, I really had to concentrate.
I've not tried the Public enemies myself so I'll resist the temptation to comment there other than that I know they are very well respected and would seem to be the ski from K2's range pitched most closely to the 1080.
From the K2 range I'd say the Seth Pistol was certainly worth checking out - a little fatter than your skis and a little firmer but probably not a million miles away chatacter-wise.
A ski which really impressed me though was the Black Diamond - Havoc - it's not easy to find but when u turn it up, there's always someone nearby raving about it (as opposed to hyping it). On the criteria you desribe, that would be my number one tip for seeking out and trying on the mountain.
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gregh, I'm not a 1080 hater, but found them OK on piste but slow turning and heavy off piste. I much prefer the Scott Aztec which I think is a truly brilliant all mountain ski. It's probably a little stiffer than the 1080, and has the great virtue of a wood core. I'd also second the idea you could try the K2 Public Enemy, but be careful about the length, many instructors here ski them and find them an excellent compromise, but Nick Zotov couldn't get on with them at all. In addition the Scott P3 is very well thought of in this sort of genre.
these are just the skis I have access to BTW, so no, I don't work for Scott!! 
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I ski on 1080s, and I think they're alright.
The bindings that they came with are a bit sketchy, but the skis turn well. Not so great when I'm trying to do Deneriaz impressions, but that's not something that I do too often.
I have always thought that the skier made more difference than the skis. I have been happy on any old planks and only got these ones because I got a very cheap deal.
IMHO Intermediates tend to have the strongest opinions on ski dynamics
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I love my 1080's - light and floaty, good for long radius turning on-piste - but get a bit flappy at speed. I use them for when I want to have fun, ski with friends, do jumps, ski backwards - just a great fun ski - I take 2 pairs travelling to sort out what the 1080 can't do - 1080's off-piste/park and Rossy SL skis for short radius carving (easy/globesapn never check as 1080 set-up is so light  )
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brendangibson, "IMHO Intermediates tend to have the strongest opinions on ski dynamics" I'm not sure about that. I think it all depends on the skier. I know instructors who don't seem to feel any difference in skis, and relative novices who do. I think it depends on whether you ski with power or touch. Touch skiers will be much more affected by the way different skis react.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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easiski, Power Rules. 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, Power, thats all that matters. Touch is for wusses
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gregh, Lovely pictures 
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You know it makes sense.
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gregh,
I retired my 1080's end of last year on a trip to Jackson Hole. They were great but I did think they got pretty soft over time making them kinda weak for piste skiing. I picked up a pair of Head Madtrix Mojo's (now the Mojo 90 I believe) a fatter, slightly stiffer set. I also went from 172 on the 1080's to 186 for the Mojos. Interestingly, these skis are great on piste, easy to turn and all the rest, but are fantastic as you'd expect off piste with all that extra flotation. The Mojos are twin tips too so maybe they release at the end of turns easier and flow through turns easier and that's what we really like. Don't be afraid to try wider and longer. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. I keep a pair of Salomon slalom race skis in the quiver too for those rock hard days we seem to specialize in around here in New England but have never needed a tool like that in Europe or out west.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Don't be afraid to try wider and longer. |
Listen to the man. The man makes sense...
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Poster: A snowHead
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My objections to the 1080 were mostly overcome by shifting the binding back ~2cm
Dark horse for ya : Fischer Atua 186cm
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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gregh, I agree-great pics- I guess I am v similar to you in terms of experience/wt - I really love 1080 foils- a bit fatter and stiffer for me no chatter on piste anf great off, in bumps, crud, slush
I tried K2 public enemies and hated them-
???Movement Demon Flame- but for me only worked fast on piste and I really struggled off (lost skis and fell for the first time in a long time)
1080 Foil
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Compared to all of you I am a beginner. I tried quite a few skis at Xscape. I am only 11st 12lbs. The Apache Crossfires sounded nice and review really well but I kept catching edges. The Nordica Eliminator and Nitrous, again great reviews but I felt I had to concentrate or I'd be sunk. Tried the Rossi B2's and just seemed to glide around on them, felt like I was on rails. I think it's a case of one man's meat is another's poison.
I don't know if its relevant but with squash racquets that I can't get on with the expensive top of the range models, I am an experienced player but I am much happier with the cheaper ones, often described as "forgiving".
I guess I should have waited till next season and tried more skis in resort somewhere but a good sale price sold me the B2's.
(.....I might try some more anyway)
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