 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Gaza, as you say, at least this should mark the end to CML/Natural Retreats mismanagement, and you are spot on with your comment about HIE having a lot to answer for.
Let's hope the Community buyout is successful.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I wonder what will happen to everyone that has already paid for season tickets?
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| dode wrote: |
| I wonder what will happen to everyone that has already paid for season tickets? |
I hopt that's a rhetorical question...
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Wow looks like they blew 2 million and have nothing to show for it. Where did the money go?
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| dsoutar wrote: |
| dode wrote: |
| I wonder what will happen to everyone that has already paid for season tickets? |
I hopt that's a rhetorical question... |
Presumably they will be unsecured creditors. So virtually no chance of a refund, unless they paid via credit card and claim from the credit card provider....
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Was only asking because my mate’s daughter was mentioning the other day that her correspondence seeking a partial refund (based on the funicular being declared out for the season after she had already paid for the season ticket) were being ignored.
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As I read things, they're still going ahead with the snow factory that HIE are funding, and the Administrators will continue to run things with a view to a sale as a going concern I assume. CML was the operating company, not the one which actually owns the funicular or the physical land.
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| dode wrote: |
| Was only asking because my mate’s daughter was mentioning the other day that her correspondence seeking a partial refund (based on the funicular being declared out for the season after she had already paid for the season ticket) were being ignored. |
There were some posters on winterhighland forum reporting that they'd asked for a refund and been told that they couldn't have one unless it was confirmed that the funicular railway wouldn't run this season. Of course, the cynic in me questions the motives behind that procrastination.
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Thu 29-11-18 22:05; edited 1 time in total
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Lets be clear : HIE and their obsession with the funicular are root of the problem.
Right now the media presenting them as saviour who will protect jobs and keep mountain open. However until they are permanently removed as landlord the same mistakes will keep being made. Remember we were in this exact position in 2008 when HIE originally took over. Since then Ciste lifts and White lady t-bar removed (with blessing of HIE) and nothing has changed for better.
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@Haggis_Trap, agreed.
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[quote="Haggis_Trap"]Lets be clear : HIE and their obsession with the funicular are root of the problem.
So, so true. From what recall they screwed up the EU funding process and had to repay millions in grant funding on it, they screwed up the survey and built it in the wrong place so in good snow years the track gets buried. To justify the huge expense they ripped up all the other chairlifts and an assortment of tows meaning the resort is totally reliant on it then it turns out it wasn't built properly so it is shut down just before winter threatening the economy of the entire area.
It's a f#*?!ing omnishambles.
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You know it makes sense.
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Crying shame. First place I ever went on an " independent" ski holiday. Think I was 17 and my bro 16.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Alastair Pink, good article indeed.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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For once I would join the cry to "Nationalise it !" The noisy Nicola should be prominent in sorting this out and preserving a whole way of life upon which this region depends.
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Not to anyone's great surprise HIE have announced that the funicular will remain closed for the remainder of the winter season. 
A spokesman for HIE said: “We have received the report of the investigation into concerns over the funicular structure and we will publish it in due course. We are meeting with the contractor this week to go through the report in detail in order to fully understand its findings and determine next steps."
“In the meantime, we anticipate the funicular will remain out of service for the remainder of the winter season, with ski tows providing alternative uplift when conditions allow.”
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To be fair on current outlooks the chance of them opening is fairly far off.
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More from parkswatchscotland - HIE have been served with three Improvement Notices by the Health and Safety Executive after a site inspection revealed several "safety concerns constituting breaches of Health and Safety Law", see http://parkswatchscotland.co.uk/2019/01/15/hies-management-of-health-and-safety-at-cairngorm-mountain/?fbclid=IwAR1EFK7H0e1yt181cs83TBit_ZeBBYmvw7H1t5oSMzrtjOvDz_EaPsZwnrc
Their failure to address long standing Health and Safety issues and their failure to ensure their (then) tenant addressed them even when brought to HIE's attention by third parties just demonstrates (if it needed demonstrating again) that HIE are totally unfit to own and manage Cairngorm Mountain and the snowsports infrastructure and operations there. If snowsports at Cairngorm are to have a future (and the many local businesses that depend on it) then it must be brought into community ownership (with the financial liabilities resting with HIE who are responsible for creating them in the first place!). 
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@Alastair Pink, +1
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[quote="Farley Goode"]For once I would join the cry to "Nationalise it !"
Er, it already effectively is. The landowner in question, HIE, is a state-funded body, ie the Scottish Government's development agency.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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No big surprise there. Thankfully 8th Feb isn't far off 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Alastair Pink wrote: |
| Here's a clip of Tuesday's BBC Breakfast coverage of the situation at Cairngorm and a spokesman from the Community Trust who are hoping to bring the operations at Cairngorm into community ownership. Here's hoping they succeed! https://www.facebook.com/bbcbreakfast/videos/1974484472858131/ |
And replace the lifts torn out by the current lot.
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I was there on Monday and have to give the staff a massive thumbs up for their welcome and positivity. Every single one of them was helpful and happy.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Quite surprised how low the turnover is.. realise its highly variable depending on snow but are CML the ones selling the tickets, restaurant meals, ski hire, funicular tickets even in summer etc?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Good to hear the staff are back on their A game, last time I was there (3 years ago) they where a bunch of miserable pricks, I vowed not to cross their door again. A few days later we visited glenshee where the staff where excellent. Its true staff morale come from the top, I will certinaĺy gave them another try and hopefully be more positive!
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I click on the BBC link and I get treated to this filth
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@davidof, The link I gave in my post is just a story about the Cairngorm funicular, no photo of Nicola Sturgeon? 
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I seem to recall an article that suggested 13 million to repair but 10 million to demolish and reinstate the funicular track area.
A cost study of a new 4 person chairlift might make interesting reading, let's face it there is potentially 3 million in hand at the outset!
There is a chair configuration I've seen in Baqueira which is skis off and the chair infront of you has holsters to take your skis. May sound complicated but it works well and is good for beginners none skiers etc. Anything to maximise its use, winter and summer.
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A few years ago I organised a meeting between the adventure sports industry in Scotland and a Scottish Government Minister, to get some interest in career development in the sector. The meeting was at Glenmore Lodge in November, with snow on the ground. Said Minister turned up in a fun-fur coat and high heels. Her most useful observation was “isn’t it cold” - we didn’t hear from her again.
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| Rogerdodger wrote: |
I seem to recall an article that suggested 13 million to repair but 10 million to demolish and reinstate the funicular track area.
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I think a condition of the funicular construction approval was that at the end of its life it had to be removed and the ground reinstated, so the £13 million repair option figure didn't include the final cost of removal (after say 20 years more funicular operation if they are lucky). So in deciding between removal now or repair the repair option should factor in the ultimate cost of later removal.
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It's been dragging on for almost a decade...
Tens of millions of UK pounds lost or wasted.
Cairngorm is like a headless chicken.
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According to the BBC report "Audit Scotland said HIE and the government faced making "tough decisions" on the railway and wider Cairngorm ski resort." Well one decision which should be easy is to remove HIE from having anything to do with the future of Cairngorm, their involvement (including the flawed decision to build the funicular in the first place) has been an unmitigated disaster for snowsports on Cairngorm and the wider local economy. 