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La Plagne 2018 / 2019

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Opening dates
Altitude resorts 15/12 => 27/04
Paradiski & villages 22/12 => 27/04


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Season pass prices published already and can be purchased with discount from September
https://www.edenski.com/cms/eden-price

Dependant upon a number of factors it is worth checking out http://www.skialacarte.fr/
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Ah the new season thread, and nice and early this year - must be time to start watching the webcams again soon.....!
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@chopkins13, You mean theres a time you dont? Madeye-Smiley

Montalbert webcam with links to other LP webcams https://laplagne.roundshot.com/montalbert/
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Who has been in Feb half term and how busy is it compared to Easter? We are booked for Feb half term next year.
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Feb half term is much busier than Easter, all the ski schools are rammed so make sure you book early.
It’s important to get going at 9.00 to avoid some hideous queues from 9.30. -10.30. Ski during lunch 12-2.00 and avoid the big links at 4 and you will be adsolutely fine.
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Season pass prices published already and can be purchased with discount from September
https://www.edenski.com/cms/eden-price

Dependant upon a number of factors it is worth checking out http://www.skialacarte.fr/


Gosh that's gone up a lot from €820 last year for a Paradiski Season pass bought in advance.
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@eblunt, LP season pass has gone up from 750 to 766, seems ok?
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@eblunt, LP season pass has gone up from 750 to 766, seems ok?


Oh yes, major fail on my part, only looked at the full retail price only gone up 820 to 838 in fact
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@alangibson73, Whatever happens avoid being in Bellecote at 2.30 when it feels like the entire French nation as one gets up from their long lunch and goes to the lifts Skullie
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@alangibson73, Whatever happens avoid being in Bellecote at 2.30 when it feels like the entire French nation as one gets up from their long lunch and goes to the lifts Skullie


This season, with the new Inversens chair, it should be much easier to bypass Bellecote - Crozats + Inversens to get to RDM is a much more feasible route now.
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@eblunt, is there any indication on how long a journey on the new Inversens chair would take compared to the old 15mins+? Would be good if they could get near halving that!!
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@eblunt, is there any indication on how long a journey on the new Inversens chair would take compared to the old 15mins+? Would be good if they could get near halving that!!


I'm pretty sure it will, if not better - the speed will go up from about 2 m/s to about 5 m/s , so I guess you'll be looking at about 6 minutes. Plus as a 6 seater hopefully the capacity will be better as well to reduce wait times.
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@eblunt, @chopkins13, If it is a 6 seater I bet they still allow ones and twos even when the queue is huge Skullie
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@boredsurfin, Yes almost certainly, but a capacity of 3,000 pph rather than 1700 pph must surely make a difference.

@thefatcontroller, Yes note, famous last words.
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@eblunt, some conservative or perhaps creative mathematics going on here then.....

1,700 current capacity, increase by 50% (4 seats to 6 seats) = 2,550 pph
Then double the speed = 5,100 pph.

Seems to me they're accepting that they won't hit the speed target ??

Proof will be in the pudding I guess when we all get to ride it in the winter. Really hoping it's a success as I love the Inversens piste and we normally stay in Belle Plagne so this will really help with route options.
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@chopkins13, It doesn't work like that. Don't confuse speed with capacity. The speed is doubled because of the clutching mechanism. that *doesn't* mean that the chairs pass through the loading station at 2 times the frequency.

The capacity is down to the loading rate at the bottom when the chairs are off the wire anyway , and basically is limited by how quickly the skiers can get themselves lined up, which is normally at best about 7 seconds. That rate will be improved by such factors as a moving carpet doing the positioning for them.

For an old lift ( unclutched like inversens) , no carpet, and possibly coming in faster, that's going to be more like 9 or 10 seconds to get the skiers lined up. Thus the chairs per hour going through might only be about 80% of a modern lift.
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@eblunt, excellent explanation. So if the loading is the limiting factor, with a faster cable speed you'd expect fewer chairs are actually needed as they move between stations much quicker? The current Inversens has something like 150+ chairs, cutting that down whilst increasing capacity will reduce maintenance costs for the lift company I guess.
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@chopkins13, Yes, on a fast lift the actual distance between the chairs will be greater. As for maintenance, the actual mechanism at the top and bottom is more complex, so that would require more, so probably balances out
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I guess it will take about 7mins to cover the 2038m (assuming the new lift is the same length) most of the high speed lifts do about 5.5m/s although I saw something that suggested the new lift would go at 5.3m/s.
The existing lift takes 14.50mins so it looks like halving the journey time.
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@Charliee, Yes 5 to 5.5 m/s is ballpark for a clutched lift, so that corresponds to 6-7 minutes.

Just looked on the website and its supposed to be 3,000 capacity and 5.5 m/s
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Some good pictures of progress on the new Inversens lift construction over on Person La Plagne today...

http://www.perso-laplagne.fr/Actualites.htm
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Looks to be some serious earth works taking place on the bottom lift station
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Thank you chopkins13. I've been checking perso.laplagne regularly too.
As you say, does look major stuff at the bottom: i wonder if some of it is in preparation for the proposed lift going up the other way to Crozats area?
And lets hope they finish in time: seems a lot of work still to do.
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@Jonpim, looks like they’ve got boat loads left to do doesn’t it - basically the whole loft still to construct!! Only 17 pylons on the new one though, quite impressive really. Here’s hoping for a very productive August before the weather turns again in autumn!!
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The new lift could change the dynamics of flow through that side of La Plagne as more people choose to use the new lift to get to Roche de Mio rather than go through Bellocote if coming from Les Arc / Les Coches. Regardless a good improvement on a tedious lift. Also one of my favorite runs in the area.
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@stevew, Yes, especially if they complete the circuit the proposed inversens > crozats lift mentioned sbove
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Almost live camera to watch the build of the top of the new Inversens lift


http://youtube.com/v/SRXoGBoHeAs
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Loads of La Plagne info in this years press pack - easiest to read by downloading the pdf...
http://presse-laplagne.com/en/the-winter-press-kit-is-ready/
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Oh dear.
I think we've made a horrible mistake. Any advice welcome.
We've booked a chalet for 11 in Montchavin (La Plagne) from the 15th to the 26th December and were hoping to make the best of the Paradiski area.
Having looked at the ski pass dates just now, it looks like we can't buy a Paradiski area pass until the 22nd.
That seems a bit odd as both areas are open on the 15th - but any advice/insight into this would be welcome.
I assume we'll have to stick to the La Plagne side until the 22nd? I also assume the 1 free Paradiski day is not an addition, but one of the days we buy?
Thanks in advance.
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@Tferris, the Vanoise Express isn't scheduled to open until 22nd December, so that is why you can't buy a Paradiski pass before then. I would expect that if you buy a La Plagne lift pass from 15th to 26th December then that should be good for one day to Les Arcs from 22nd onwards when the lift opens.

Don't worry. Both the La Plagne and the Les Arcs areas are decidedly substantial. One day in the last three to experience the 'other side' will be plenty.
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On the subject of lift speed it’s worth remembering that the newest chairlifts are only about 0.5m/s faster than auto stacking Pomas, most of which have now been removed Crying or Very sad

It’s not surprising that day passes last year were pushing £55.
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@Peter S, Which are the 'fast' ones that have been removed ? Colosses ? cant think of any others tbh. The old Inversens and Crozats were definately slow ( 2 m/s ).
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eblunt, were Crozats and Inversens fixed grip chairlifts ? I'm referring to auto stacking Poma drag lifts, the fastest of which used to do 4.5m/s or more snowHead
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@Peter S, wow that’s pretty rapid for a drag lift!!

Although I’m not sure it’s a direct comparison given you only get 1 person on a drag and up to 8 on the new colosses.
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@chopkins13, I guess it's a combination of speed + capacity that's important. It's no great comfort to know the drag runs at 4.5 m/s if you have to wait 10 minutes for it
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@Peter S, Indeed, until a couple of years ago there was a network of fast Poma drag lifts that could be used to avoid the busier lifts and Bellecote altogether - sadly most have now gone Sad
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I wish - hardly ever see 8 on a seat even when the queue is back to Arpette Sad The shame is with the removal of the Colosses drag with its steep incline and sharp dog leg there is no quick alternative, I know folk that have given up and got the bus back to 1800 because of the infuriating queue management (or lack of) Sad
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@boredsurfin, what I don't undersatnd is why they cant cut a track across from the top of Col de forcle which gets into plagne centre. That way 3 lifts that can get people from Bellecote to PC
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