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Hey all, just to satiate my curiosity.
What is your favourite ski touring binding? (can be a frame binding as well of course) And why?
Is there anything you wish was better with the current bindings on offer?
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I don't tour...but I saw a Trab binding today that weighs in at a hefty...58g
That is light!
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@dulcamara, Marker Kingpin high up on my lists - great skiability due to 'heel on ski' with all the efficiency of a pin toe for the up. Only thing I would change on them is make the risers more textured as they aren't always easy to flip up if you have a pole with a harder plastic top of the handle.
Salomon MTN is also proving its worth in the lighter binding range - brake is super functional, good feel when skiing.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Outlaw-X from 22Designs
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Kreuzspitze SCTT
Flat ramp angle.
Can be mounted on toe and heel shift plates.
Very little to go wrong.
Jason Borro (skimo.com) tells me that the fixed release setting of the SCTT is appropriate to my needs (DIN 7-8, BSL around 300)
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Kingpin rocks, been my go-to binding for the past 3 seasons!
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| KenX wrote: |
| Kingpin rocks, been my go-to binding for the past 3 seasons! |
Toe pins snapped in half yet?
Okay, so I admit I'm being a bit provocative. If 0.1% of Kingpins fail, but everyone who experiences a failure writes about it on that TGR thread, it can make a problem appear much bigger than it really is. Still, I'd encourage people to buy their Kingpins from Spyderjon, as he has a good reputation for dealing with warranty claims.
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@dulcamara, Marker Kingpin high up on my lists - great skiability due to 'heel on ski' with all the efficiency of a pin toe for the up. Only thing I would change on them is make the risers more textured as they aren't always easy to flip up if you have a pole with a harder plastic top of the handle.
Salomon MTN is also proving its worth in the lighter binding range - brake is super functional, good feel when skiing.
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Do you really feel the difference between heel on the ski and in pins? I hear this a lot, i have also said it.... but not sure i have fully felt it yet its something i want to play with next season.
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I saw a Trab binding today that weighs in at a hefty...58g
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which is that?
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Salomon MTN is also proving its worth in the lighter binding range - brake is super functional,
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Does it not pop down when you press down the arms? maybe they fixed that.
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Love the way the Beast 16 skis but it's a bit over engineered IMO so requires a bit more care and/or fiddling than ideal
Just about to retire some Dynafit TLT Speeds after about 8 or 9 years of faithful service. Great no frills touring binding
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Oceanic wrote: |
| KenX wrote: |
| Kingpin rocks, been my go-to binding for the past 3 seasons! |
Toe pins snapped in half yet?
Okay, so I admit I'm being a bit provocative. If 0.1% of Kingpins fail, but everyone who experiences a failure writes about it on that TGR thread, it can make a problem appear much bigger than it really is. Still, I'd encourage people to buy their Kingpins from Spyderjon, as he has a good reputation for dealing with warranty claims. |
Nope, early ones had an issue which were changed under warranty...............
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| KenX wrote: |
| Oceanic wrote: |
| KenX wrote: |
| Kingpin rocks, been my go-to binding for the past 3 seasons! |
Toe pins snapped in half yet?
Okay, so I admit I'm being a bit provocative. If 0.1% of Kingpins fail, but everyone who experiences a failure writes about it on that TGR thread, it can make a problem appear much bigger than it really is. Still, I'd encourage people to buy their Kingpins from Spyderjon, as he has a good reputation for dealing with warranty claims. |
Nope, early ones had an issue which were changed under warranty............... |
I think the early ones had an issue with the toe pins falling out. The more recent ones have a problem with the toe pins snapping.
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You know it makes sense.
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| dulcamara wrote: |
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Salomon MTN is also proving its worth in the lighter binding range - brake is super functional,
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Does it not pop down when you press down the arms? maybe they fixed that. |
Why would you press down the arms?
I put the bindings into touring mode, step into them and start skinning...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Oceanic wrote: |
| KenX wrote: |
| Kingpin rocks, been my go-to binding for the past 3 seasons! |
Toe pins snapped in half yet?
Okay, so I admit I'm being a bit provocative. If 0.1% of Kingpins fail, but everyone who experiences a failure writes about it on that TGR thread, it can make a problem appear much bigger than it really is. Still, I'd encourage people to buy their Kingpins from Spyderjon, as he has a good reputation for dealing with warranty claims. |
No problems my end either with 2 pairs that have been well skied over the last couple f winters (no 1st gen versions thouogh - as a general rule I don't buy a binding in its first year of release, though i may take a punt on the Shift next winter for one pair of skis...).
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Poster: A snowHead
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| dulcamara wrote: |
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@dulcamara, Marker Kingpin high up on my lists - great skiability due to 'heel on ski' with all the efficiency of a pin toe for the up. Only thing I would change on them is make the risers more textured as they aren't always easy to flip up if you have a pole with a harder plastic top of the handle.
Salomon MTN is also proving its worth in the lighter binding range - brake is super functional, good feel when skiing.
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Do you really feel the difference between heel on the ski and in pins? I hear this a lot, i have also said it.... but not sure i have fully felt it yet its something i want to play with next season. |
I reckon I do yes, maybe it is all in the mind though! (But hey, the placebo effect has, I believe, been scientifically proven to work...).
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| offpisteskiing wrote: |
| dulcamara wrote: |
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@dulcamara, Marker Kingpin high up on my lists - great skiability due to 'heel on ski' with all the efficiency of a pin toe for the up. Only thing I would change on them is make the risers more textured as they aren't always easy to flip up if you have a pole with a harder plastic top of the handle.
Salomon MTN is also proving its worth in the lighter binding range - brake is super functional, good feel when skiing.
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Do you really feel the difference between heel on the ski and in pins? I hear this a lot, i have also said it.... but not sure i have fully felt it yet its something i want to play with next season. |
I reckon I do yes, maybe it is all in the mind though! (But hey, the placebo effect has, I believe, been scientifically proven to work...). |
Skiied 4-5 weeks on Beast 14s now - resort skiing and off piste - and I can't feel any difference really.
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I was talking last night to a German ski tourer and he claimed that in his group last week they were using 3rd gen Marker kingpins and had two pins shear off their arms, a bit worrying if the problem is still there . . . a materials issue? or design flaw, but that's been around for a long time.
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Yeah the pins take a pretty impressive amount of force, guess it will be hard to create 100% problem free toepieces.
Anybody a fan of ATK or Plum?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Dynafit Radical 2.0.
- love the "elasticity" of toe - (no pre-releases, absorbs more versus Version 1)
- love ease of transition to tour/ski (versus Ver 1; Beast 14)
- flat (versus Beast 14 and Superlite 2.0)
Edited Dynafit fro Dynamite!
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| offpisteskiing wrote: |
| dulcamara wrote: |
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Salomon MTN is also proving its worth in the lighter binding range - brake is super functional,
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Does it not pop down when you press down the arms? maybe they fixed that. |
Why would you press down the arms?
I put the bindings into touring mode, step into them and start skinning... |
Another vote for the Salomon MTN. Very well designed, no pre-release silliness of radicals (one of the Lofoten crew nearly had a very long steep walk down a very long steep couloir thanks to that and I’ve had a 2 or 3 instances in the past, one of which was where I really didn’t want to have it!) and none of complexity/weight of others. Super solid toe-in with reassuring ‘feel’ and straightforward to transfer tour on. The removable brakes are very neat. No issues at all with the brakes popping open (not heard of any, either  ) but the gen 1 versions I have tend to stick up in heavy spring snow. @offpisteskiing has the gen 2 version which have a stiffer spring action so that problem seems to have gone away.
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| mishmash wrote: |
Dynamite Radical 2.0
- love the "elasticity" of toe - (no pre-releases, absorbs more versus Version 1)
- love ease of transition to tour/ski (versus Ver 1; Beast 14)
- flat (versus Beast 14 and Superlite 2.0) |
+1
I really appreciate the subtle design improvements, for example the way the brakes stay deployed after changing to tour mode until you first stomp your heel down, also ease of adjusting heel lift
Stepping into was a bit of a faff until I painted markers on my boots for the pin holes
The fact its an iterative design gives me confidence in robustness
In contrast with Kingpins on a recent trip one user's brakes fell off and couldn't be repaired in resort, and one of the guides had great problems clipping in, apparently due to wear or deterioration/movement in the front pins
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just a bit of topic , but what are people's favourite crampons to match your favourite bindings , I've been trying a few heath robinson methods to increase bite when on first riser , after being very disappointed with the performance of the dynafit crampon combined with the radical 2
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Salomon MTN. Very well designed, no pre-release silliness of radicals
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Never had any issues of pre-release with any bindings to be honest so i'm perhaps not best placed to judge this, do you have any insight into what is changed on the MTN to reduce pre-release?
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Prerelease seems to be an issue fir Radical Mark 1s. I wouldn't go near them but quite like Rad 2s when I used them.
I just bought some Plum Guides ("Stopper"version with brakes) to replace my old TLT speeds. Seem nicely made but haven't skied on them yet
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| dulcamara wrote: |
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Salomon MTN. Very well designed, no pre-release silliness of radicals
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Never had any issues of pre-release with any bindings to be honest so i'm perhaps not best placed to judge this, do you have any insight into what is changed on the MTN to reduce pre-release? |
The design of the rad 1 means snow and ice accumulated under the toe springs, which prevents the pins from engaging fully into the boot. Not a problem with other toe designs and the rad 2 appears to have sorted it.
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You know it makes sense.
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The design of the rad 1 means snow and ice accumulated under the toe springs, which prevents the pins from engaging fully into the boot.
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Ahh so ist a Problem with initial step in and engagement, not pre-release. MTN also drops to the same distance as the Rad 1 so not quite sure how they have fixed it. Perhaps the angles/spring forces are a little different so more release force is moved to the toe Piece.
interesting Observation though.
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+1 for classic dynafit tlt.
Minimalistic perfection.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Ok well im going to cast my vote against the forum. Radical 1 FT for the win  .
It's funny how the opinions in forums vary between sites and the masses, but I have never had a problem with mine, they have always been a trusty workhorse for me, and failure returns for the latest generation are very rare!
Though I use the Rad 2's now because i think they are better, but you know, nostalgia and stuff
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@dulcamara, I looked at those ultra light Trab bindings for you.
I could not find them on their website..I'll describe them:
Toe piece was a cupped shaped carbon fibre shape withe the toe pins attached, it looked as if the stepping in would deform the cup, and its tension would hold the pins.
The heel was tiny, just enough to have the two pins, nothing else. Not even a heel riser device.
So far, so minimal....the price was NOT minimal!
58g costs 769chf 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| dulcamara wrote: |
Radical 1 FT for the win .
... but I have never had a problem with mine, they have always been a trusty workhorse for me, and failure returns for the latest generation are very rare!
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The screws holding on the top plate of the heel on the Radical 1 had a habit of pulling out of the plastic housing. Dynafit have released a new binding this year, which is like the original Radical 1 (with a Radical 1 toe, and a brake), but with a heel that rotates to change the height of the heel lifters (like the Speed Turn). This will solve the problem with the screws pulling out, and I can't see why it wouldn't be a very reliable binding.
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@rungsp, I think you saw the Dynafit DNA binding maybe, that thing is crazy! One better is the P49 which weighs.... yup 49 grams, not seen a price tag yet though.
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The screws holding on the top plate of the heel on the Radical 1 had a habit of pulling out of the plastic housing.
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Ahh that's true! Though there's been a reinforcing metal plate added below the plastic the top of the Rad1 heel for a couple of years to stop the screws pulling out, seems to be holding much better now.
Interesting that the main driver for a binding here is reliability. Excited to see how the Marker Alpinist performs on the reliability front.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| rungsp wrote: |
@dulcamara, I looked at those ultra light Trab bindings for you.
I could not find them on their website..I'll describe them:
Toe piece was a cupped shaped carbon fibre shape withe the toe pins attached, it looked as if the stepping in would deform the cup, and its tension would hold the pins.
The heel was tiny, just enough to have the two pins, nothing else. Not even a heel riser device.
So far, so minimal....the price was NOT minimal!
58g costs 769chf |
That sounds like the Gara. The toe is 59g. With the heel its around 110g per binding. And that's a Swiss price so it's about 500€ really.
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| Arno wrote: |
| I just bought some Plum Guides ("Stopper"version with brakes) to replace my old TLT speeds. Seem nicely made but haven't skied on them yet |
I used Guides on my Baffin set up (non-brake version with the add-on heel support) and was very happy with them...
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Toe piece was a cupped shaped carbon fibre shape withe the toe pins attached, it looked as if the stepping in would deform the cup, and its tension would hold the pins.
The heel was tiny, just enough to have the two pins, |
nah sticking to the DNA guess
https://www.dynafit.com/equipment/bindings/dna-binding
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| dulcamara wrote: |
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The screws holding on the top plate of the heel on the Radical 1 had a habit of pulling out of the plastic housing.
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Ahh that's true! Though there's been a reinforcing metal plate added below the plastic the top of the Rad1 heel for a couple of years to stop the screws pulling out, seems to be holding much better now.
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The metal plate was to solve a different problem. The screws pulling out is due to the leverage applied by the 'flip flop' heel lifters. I think it is only really a problem for people who stamp on the heel lifters when trying to improve a skin track for folks following behind them.
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So I was bored and asked, this season in Austria and Germany, no bindings with the new strengthening plate and deeper screws were returned due to the screws pulling out.
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We might be talking at cross purposes? Are you saying that there is a version of the Radical 1 with deeper screws holding on the top plate? If so, thanks, I didn't know that.
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