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rob@rar.org.uk, also, if you felt at greater risk because you were skiing faster, was it because you felt less in control?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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snowbunny,
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my feet seem warmer
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Makes sense - No doubt Foxy will be along shortly on this particular (sub)topic
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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snowbunny, very good point you make about warmer feet. People who cite overheating as a reason not to wear a helmet, are not layering up correctly given the fact they now have a lid keeping the heat in.
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Caspar, You may think that me having cold feet, is funny...but no more... Ha 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Tim Brown, My lid seems to keep my head, just pleasantly warm, no matter what the conditions
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snowbunny, yes the venting systems of modern helmets have come along way.
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Tim Brown, maybe if you were not wearing a helmet your head would have missed this rock. No matter how light the helmet is your neck is still exposed to higher then usual stress. Bottom line is just like I can’t scientifically prove these statements you have no proof that your helmet is safe as far as your neck is concerned. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against the use of helmets but I wanted to draw attention to the fact that their safety and efficacy have not been conclusively and irrefutably established
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| Caspar, You may think that me having cold feet, is funny...but no more... Ha |
I think he is referring to the way that when most people mention "I have cold feet", I always ask "what is on your head?", cause if your head isn't warm, it doesn't matter what you do for your feet, they won't get enough blood to keep them warm, but if your head is warm, then unless you have cirulation problems (such as are caused by smoking), then I'd expect your feet to feel warmer.
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That's also why we wear foot helmets when skiing
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snowbunny, I never expect you to get cold feet. Now, where's that draglift....
Wear The Fox Hat, Thank you - absolutely right. 
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PP, but it has to be pointed out that the technology continues to improve.
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Caspar,
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snowbunny, I never expect you to get cold feet. Now, where's that draglift....
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Promise you won't sing, and I promise not to treat you to my cold feet 
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Wear The Fox Hat, overly tight boots can also cause cold feet.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Wear The Fox Hat, overly tight boots can also cause cold feet. |
Not if you wear a luxurious fox hat
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Poster: A snowHead
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| rob@rar.org.uk, the earflaps of modern helmets allow 97% of sound to pass through them. Goggles reduce peripheral vision regardless of whether you have a helmat on. |
Yes that's right, as I said, my hearing is reduced when wearing a helmet. Not much, but noticeable.
You're right that wearing goggles will reduce peripheral vision regardless of whether you are wearing a helmet or not. But as I always wear goggles with a helmet, but frequently choose glasses if I wear a hat (or nothing on my head), there is a fairly clear correlation for me between helmet wearing and reduced peripheral vision.
There are pros and cons to all the choices we make when skiing, including whether to wear a helmet or not. I now choose to wear a helmet because for me the pros outweigh the cons, but for other people their decision might be different.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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PP, I'll stick to wearing a helmet, as it protects me from tree branches and flying ski poles which would otherwise hurt my head. Whether it will save my life, or give me a sore neck is something I don't know, and given your previous comments, I doubt that any evidence presented would be acceptable to you, but I DO know that a helmet has protected my head against cuts and bruises in several occassions, where not having one would have meant pain and not skiing for some time.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Tim Brown wrote: |
| rob@rar.org.uk, also, if you felt at greater risk because you were skiing faster, was it because you felt less in control? |
No, I felt there were greater risks because the consequences of a fall were potentially more serious because of the higher speeds involved.
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Tim Brown, it's not about it being the helmet's fault. It's more a case of that in a given population, if they're wearing a helmet, they may be more prone to taking risks. Also in the same population if they are wearing a helmet, they're possibly more likely to be wearing goggles thus reducing their peripheral vision.
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rob@rar.org.uk, you would need a hearing test to detect a 3% reduction in hearing.
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| Tim Brown wrote: |
| rob@rar.org.uk, you would need a hearing test to detect a 3% reduction in hearing. |
In which case my helmet cuts out more than 3% of sound being passed through the ear flaps, reducing, as I've said, my hearing when I wear it.
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| rob@rar.org.uk wrote: |
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| rob@rar.org.uk, the earflaps of modern helmets allow 97% of sound to pass through them. Goggles reduce peripheral vision regardless of whether you have a helmat on. |
Yes that's right, as I said, my hearing is reduced when wearing a helmet. Not much, but noticeable.
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Does that mean that when you wear a hat, you keep your ears uncovered?
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| Wear The Fox Hat wrote: |
| rob@rar.org.uk wrote: |
| Tim Brown wrote: |
| rob@rar.org.uk, the earflaps of modern helmets allow 97% of sound to pass through them. Goggles reduce peripheral vision regardless of whether you have a helmat on. |
Yes that's right, as I said, my hearing is reduced when wearing a helmet. Not much, but noticeable.
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Does that mean that when you wear a hat, you keep your ears uncovered? |
No, if its warm enough to keep my ears uncovered I wouldn't wear a hat at all. Wearing a hat also reduces my hearing, but not by as much as wearing a helmet.
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Kramer, the slight reduction in peripheral vision doesn't add up to a greater risk. What's in front of you is much more important. As for taking more risk, the same could be said for safety belts.
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Helmets should ideally be fitted with external microphones connected to the internal speakers, which some people link to an MP3.
The unmistakable sound of an approaching lunatic is always worth amplifying.
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rob@rar.org.uk, skiing fast will also reduce your hearing due to the added wind noise.
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David Goldsmith, as in: the sound of a snowboard being edged?
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| Tim Brown wrote: |
| rob@rar.org.uk, skiing fast will also reduce your hearing due to the added wind noise. |
Yup, and it makes my eyes water from wind blasting my eyeballs. All the more reason to wear a helmet, which I know do almost all the time. Although I recognise the downsides of this choice, the advantages of a helmet for me are much greater.
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You know it makes sense.
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| rob@rar.org.uk wrote: |
| Wearing a hat also reduces my hearing, but not by as much as wearing a helmet. |
I certainly don't find that to be the case with my Giro 9.
As for wearing sunglasses, the injury risk caused by them breaking and going to your eyes during a fall, or collision with another skier/pole/etc, I would have thought, would have been significantly higher than the slight risk brought about by reduced peripheral vision in goggles..
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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rob@rar.org.uk, you've made the right choice but for the wrong reason. A head wearing a helmet and hitting something at high speed may as well not have a helmet on at all. The standard to which helmets must comply only offers protection for speeds of about 10mph*. Above that, and it's good night Vienna!
EDIT: *that's what I was quoted. Trying to find an on-line source.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Wear The Fox Hat, I've seen some very nasty injuries caused by broken sunnies.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Wear The Fox Hat wrote: |
| As for wearing sunglasses, the injury risk caused by them breaking and going to your eyes during a fall, or collision with another skier/pole/etc, I would have thought, would have been significantly higher than the slight risk brought about by reduced peripheral vision in goggles.. |
Maybe, although the lenses in my sunglasses are plastic, so perhaps not any more risk than goggles?
The only point that I'm trying to make is that there are pros and cons to wearing a helmet, as there are in most things in life. We balance up those pros and cons when deciding what option to take. That's not a contentious point is it? For me, the option for the last couple of seasons has been to wear a helmet. This was prompted in part by a mild concussion which meant I missed two days skiing (including a couple of ski lessons), and by improvements in my ski technique meaning that I ski faster then I've done in the past if conditions allow. Other people may well reach a different conclusion to me about helmet wearing, for perfectly valid reasons.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Tim Brown wrote: |
| rob@rar.org.uk, you've made the right choice but for the wrong reason. A head wearing a helmet and hitting something at high speed may as well not have a helmet on at all. The standard to which helmets must comply only offers protection for speeds of about 10mph. Above that, and it's good night Vienna! |
So what are the right reasons?
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rob@rar.org.uk, low speed collisions (can prove very nasty without a helmet), glancing blows, clashing of heads, smacked by a chairlift bar, slipping on ice and hitting head while walking, hit on head by own ski, hit on head by some else's ski etc..All I'm saying is don't ask too much of your brain bucket!
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I think that a lot of you are missing the point. You can argue the pros and cons about what may be more or less dangerous (sunglasses, goggles, helmets, whatever), but the only way to know for sure is through research. The research so far narrowly comes down on the side of wearing a helmet, but it is far from conclusive, and flags up the possibility of an increased risk of neck and other injuries to helmet wearers. It is certainly not conclusive enough to lead to making wearing helmets mandatory.
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Tim Brown, technology is improving as is research into this subject. Maybe current technology is good enough but it has yet to be proven.
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Surely blue ice is, to all intents and purposes, as hard as tarmac. Rocks and trees certainly are. So, is the government wrong to make helmets mandatory for motorcyclists and not for skiers?
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| Tim Brown wrote: |
| rob@rar.org.uk, low speed collisions (can prove very nasty without a helmet), glancing blows, clashing of heads, smacked by a chairlift bar, slipping on ice and hitting head while walking, hit on head by own ski, hit on head by some else's ski etc..All I'm saying is don't ask too much of your brain bucket! |
At no point have I thought (or written on snowHeads) that wearing a helmet makes me immune to head injuries. But it has saved me from what would have been a big bruise when I was slapped hard by a GS gate, and might well have saved me from missing a couple of days skiing and lessons when I landed heavily on hard pack snow. That personal experience is enough to convince me that wearing a helmet is a good thing for me, despite some of the drawbacks in terms of comfort and possibly safety.
I really don't understand why this is a big issue - we don't have the same level of passion about other choices of skiwear, such as thick socks/thin socks, gloves/mittens, etc. Why is helmet wearing a different kind of debate on snowHeads?
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Martin Bell, I wear a helmet on the motorbike, mountain-bike and on skis. Personally, I have found more use in the skiing and cycling helmets despite having done many more miles on the motorbike. The others have certainly saved me from more injuries (and yes, I have crashed motorbikes a few times).
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Maybe it's time to bring "face-guards" into the debate - lbt, where are you? 
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