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British snowboarder suffocates off-piste in Meribel

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5584331/British-snowboarder-25-suffocates-death-falling-head-snow.html
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Very sad. However appalling reporting, fail to see any connection between this and any of the other accidents referred to in the report ... or the relevance of any of the photographs to the report, apart from the common factor of snow.
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DavidYacht, its the Daily Mail. rolling eyes
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@DavidYacht, yep, and a completely needless reference to Schumacher’s accident. Have never understood the Mail’s need to shoehorn in a reference to some celebrity in every story.
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Another forum I use bans its members from linking to it.
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Jonpim wrote:
DavidYacht, its the Daily Mail. rolling eyes


or the Daily Wail, as I call it. You may as well read the Beano.
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There's a serious point in here that it isn't always just a massive laugh when your mate faceplants into the snow. But equally it's a fairly rare event (outside of treewells) given the combination of snow density, angle of penetration and degree of impingement needed to prevent self rescue.
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Also reported on BBC News - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43669769

Begs the question about being off-piste on their own which is always a no-no no matter how experienced you are. (Presuming they were on their own given no-on flagged he was missing earlier
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Awdbugga wrote:
Jonpim wrote:
DavidYacht, its the Daily Mail. rolling eyes


or the Daily Wail, as I call it. You may as well read the Beano.


How dare you impugn the reputation of the Beano by suggesting it's sunk to the depths plumbed by the Daily Mail.
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Jenniper wrote:
Another forum I use bans its members from linking to it.


Thank goodness snowheads does not seek to be such a censor.
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Grim. Poor fella. Sad
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I did wonder whether it was a tree-well that he fell down, as they can be lethal...
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Jenniper wrote:
Another forum I use bans its members from linking to it.


Is that bedwetters.co.uk?

RIP
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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
There's a serious point in here that it isn't always just a massive laugh when your mate faceplants into the snow. But equally it's a fairly rare event (outside of treewells) given the combination of snow density, angle of penetration and degree of impingement needed to prevent self rescue.


It might just be me being paranoid, but I always see clips online on people leaping headfirst into deep snow and pretty much disappearing, I always think "what if they can't get out" but nobody ever seem to consider that before
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Bennisboy wrote:
Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
There's a serious point in here that it isn't always just a massive laugh when your mate faceplants into the snow. But equally it's a fairly rare event (outside of treewells) given the combination of snow density, angle of penetration and degree of impingement needed to prevent self rescue.


It might just be me being paranoid, but I always see clips online on people leaping headfirst into deep snow and pretty much disappearing, I always think "what if they can't get out" but nobody ever seem to consider that before


Diving head first would just be plane stupid. Feet first would be bad enough if you disappear completly.
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Rob_Quads wrote:
Also reported on BBC News - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43669769

Begs the question about being off-piste on their own which is always a no-no no matter how experienced you are. (Presuming they were on their own given no-on flagged he was missing earlier


According to the BBC page he was 20 metres from the piste. Obviously it depends on the exact location, but I suspect that there are a few of us that have done that type of side piste without thinking it'd be an issue.
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SnoodlesMcFlude wrote:
... and a completely needless reference to Schumacher’s accident.


SnoodlesMcFlude wrote:
... According to the BBC page he was 20 metres from the piste.


So perhaps not a completely needless cross-reference? Both incidents highlight the potentially significantly increased risk even when just a short distance off piste ... Crying or Very sad
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Rob_Quads wrote:
Also reported on BBC News - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43669769

Begs the question about being off-piste on their own which is always a no-no no matter how experienced you are. (Presuming they were on their own given no-on flagged he was missing earlier


Yes and no. Snow presents challenges and risks. As does sea. As does traffic. Obviously it's always better to not be alone, but it's not always possible, and to be honest sometimes the risks are small enough that it's not even an issue. I often boat alone, and ski alone, and run in the wood alone, and... . Not in risk 4 conditions, though; and I do a lot of risk mitigation at risk 3 as well. And a reasonable amount at risk 2. Maybe it won't work out well for me one day though... that's life for you.
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I don't want to dismiss the fact that things can happen, though. Indeed just today the relief(*) suddenly disappeared from a day which was inaccurately forecast to be glorious sunshine all day. I was in a place where there was a crest on one side, a barely-visible stream bed on the other, metres of snow everywhere... yes things can go wrong in those situations. But surely, we understand and accept that there are risks in our behaviour?

(*) I only know that word from the Spanish, since I started doing winter sports after moving to Spain.(**) What's the correct word in English? The visibility under the dark clouds was fine... I could see for miles; but I couldn't make out the details of the snow in front of my face: no idea if I had a 10 degree or a 30 degree drop in front of me, because the light conditions meant that the snow didn't offer any clues. I find that this is an issue in spring more than anything, because on spring days the snow tends to homogenize whether on-piste or off-.

(**) Yes that's pretty funny. If anyone had asked me before moving to Spain whether I thought I'd end up doing more winter sports than before living in Spain, obviously I'd have said "no". As they say, what we don't know far outweighs what we know wink


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@Pyremaniac, *I think I would use the word 'definition'
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Hurtle, thanks!
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Hurtle wrote:
@Pyremaniac, *I think I would use the word 'definition'


Or visibility
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Gerry wrote:
Hurtle wrote:
@Pyremaniac, *I think I would use the word 'definition'

Or visibility

No, the visibility was fine - I could see all the way down the valley.

Anyway, back to that snowboarder: it does seem like tragically bad luck Sad. Somebody posted a video of a similar situation recently where a guy fell down a hard-to-spot crack and ended up dangling upside-down with his board bridging the gap. Certainly makes one think...
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Pyremaniac wrote:
Gerry wrote:
Hurtle wrote:
@Pyremaniac, *I think I would use the word 'definition'

Or visibility

No, the visibility was fine - I could see all the way down....


Flat light.
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