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Ski rescue in Scotland

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How is this funded in Scotland for a UK citizen?

Is this covered by your lift pass or will you get a bill for it or should you have rescue insurance outwith the winter sports insurance in your travel insurance which applies if you were abroad.
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I believe Scottish mountain rescue, partial volunteer service with no charge.
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The resorts have an on site ski patrol via BASP, with MR involved when needed. As examples, it was ski patrol who dug the guy out of the avalanche at Glencoe a few weeks back, and Lochaber MR were involved in the rescue of the skier who went through the cornice at Nevisrange around the same time. Ski patrol is, I think, a mix of paid and volunteer staff, and MR teams are entirely volunteer staffed.

There is no cost (To the casualty) for MR services in Scotland, even where the Coastguard SAR helo is involved. MR is funded by donations in Scotland, with a contribution to costs from Scottish Government.
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Would it be right to say that in the UK there is no cost or charging involved for rescuing or treating any "victim" who gets stuck, falls off, falls ill, falls into or whatever anywhere, private or public land, whether they have been demonstrably stupid and irresponsible or totally responsible but unlucky. With the exception of things involving motor vehicles (which is charged to somebody's motor insurance) ?

Some of the services might be provided by volunteers, eg mountain rescue, RNLI etc. but instigated by police, coastguard etc. ?

Not trying to make an authoritative statement, that's just the way I see it. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Would it be different if you weren't a UK national?
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It would be wrong for someone to have the cost of rescue as part of the calling-for-help decision tree. Especially since it could have been poor decision making that got them stuck in the first place.

However, perhaps a mandatory donation to the appropriate rescue organisations (Mountain Rescue and Air Ambulance) could become added to the lift pass?
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denfinella wrote:
Would it be different if you weren't a UK national?

No. But this is also true of most of the 1st world on public land. It's quite hard to find an authoritative list of countries and SAR organisations. In BC public rescue is free; that gets slightly more complex if you have to divert commercial services who may be closer to the victim. Still free, but a problem for commerce.
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slopemad wrote:


However, perhaps a mandatory donation to the appropriate rescue organisations (Mountain Rescue and Air Ambulance) could become added to the lift pass?

I don't think this would be a very good idea or popular with anyone. Skiing is pretty marginal in Scotland but contributes to rural communities where members of the rescue services live, anything which increases the cost of lift passes would affect these communities.
The percentage of call outs to lift serviced skiers must be tiny as well far more walkers, climbers ski tourers etc.
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Other parts of the UK have found ways of avoiding the cost of rescuing foreigners in the mountains. I remember discovering that the instructions on how to call Mountain Rescue in the phone box at the Ogwen carpark in Snowdonia were only in Welsh.
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rjs wrote:
Other parts of the UK have found ways of avoiding the cost of rescuing foreigners in the mountains. I remember discovering that the instructions on how to call Mountain Rescue in the phone box at the Ogwen carpark in Snowdonia were only in Welsh.


Last time I was in a phone box in Wales, which was a long time ago I admit, 999 was the same as I had seen everywhere else. Is it not like that in Manchester ? Toofy Grin
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skitow wrote:
Would it be right to say that in the UK there is no cost or charging involved for rescuing or treating any "victim" who gets stuck, falls off, falls ill, falls into or whatever anywhere, private or public land, whether they have been demonstrably stupid and irresponsible or totally responsible but unlucky. With the exception of things involving motor vehicles (which is charged to somebody's motor insurance) ?

Some of the services might be provided by volunteers, eg mountain rescue, RNLI etc. but instigated by police, coastguard etc. ?

Not trying to make an authoritative statement, that's just the way I see it. Please correct me if I am wrong.


Essentially correct. In NI mountain rescue and SAR operations are generally initiated by coastguard.....maybe some justification for @rjs post.

"I'm stuck on a mountain....who should I call?" Laughing Laughing
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as part of the calling-for-help decision tree 
As part of the what Puzzled!!

Is that a Google translate job from the instructions in the Welsh phone box mentioned above Laughing ??
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mountainaddict wrote:
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as part of the calling-for-help decision tree 
As part of the what Puzzled!!

Is that a Google translate job from the instructions in the Welsh phone box mentioned above Laughing ??


No, I think it's some dialect of corporate speak Laughing
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@skitow,
fel rhan o'r goeden penderfyniad galw am gymorth

Obvious, innit? wink
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No. But this is also true of most of the 1st world on public land. It's quite hard to find an authoritative list of countries and SAR organisations. In BC public rescue is free; that gets slightly more complex if you have to divert commercial services who may be closer to the victim. Still free, but a problem for commerce.


Wrong, the rescue remains free, but for none UK nationals there should in theory be a cost for medical care. For the time being if you are an EU/EEA citizen that remains free if you have your EHIC card. However for the rest of the world any hospital care is supposed to be charged by the NHS, you should have insurance. For visitors from countries requiring a visa, part of the application process for the visa is to demonstrate medical insurance cover I believe, and if not it jolly well should be.
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