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Black crows navis, atris or corvus??

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Hi.
I'm looking at buying some black crows. Main reasons I tested some camox (i actually wanted to test the wider navis but couldn't find a stockists in the resort) in France earlier this year and loved them!

Can't decide between the navis, atris or corvus (or their freebird equivalent). I'm 170cm 75kg and a decent skier. I'm planning to mount salomon guardians etc for short tours and to access more resort off piste but unlikely I'll be doing any long tours.

If anybody has any experience of them I'd appreciate the feedback! Specifically how the navis handle deep powder - potential Japan trip next year. Also how the atris or corvus handle piste as early season European trips have more often than not involve a good bit of piste skiing. Also sizing advice, I'm thinking 169 in the navis but concerned they'd be a bit too short at my height and weight for anything deepish.

Thanks any advice appreciated!

Danny
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I have the 15/16 Atris in a 184 and am 80kg. This version of the Atris is slightly stiffer than the current iteration and has a slightly tighter radius - 18m rather than 20m.

Several observations: first, it skis short. While I haven't had many tip dive issues, I sort of regret not getting the 189. At 75kg I would unhesitatingly size up to the 184.

The 15/16 version works well on piste in any condition other than proper hardpack. It is very nimble and carves well for a wide ski. It will not perform as well as a dedicated piste ski or a wide ski with metal in it.

More generally, it rewards being driven with a centred stance and worked laterally. It is pretty turny. You don't have to be absolutely on it all the time in order to get the most out of it but it has quite a wide perfomance envelope. If you are someone who enjoys driving the ski more from the front of the boot then I would look elsewhere.

Next year's Corvus is very different and has full reverse camber and a metal layer. Not skied the Navis.
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Thanks, that's really helpful to get your perspective! I am leaning towards atris or navis. Shame I didn't have the opportunity to test both those models!
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Hiya, I've got the 16/17 Atris at 184, 70kg at 175cm so about the same as you. I've also got guardians on it, although I haven't had the chance to do short tours on them yet.

I'll second everything gorilla has said, and would definitely recommend it over the navis if you're planning on using it in Japan as well. It's worked well for me so far on piste (although it's been a while since I've been on carving skis so I'm not sure my opinion on it is that valid!). For a wide ski, it definitely does perform well on piste though.
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@dank8223, couple of years ago at the SIGB test at Kuhtai I was "testing" touring skis, up and the down.

I skied around 12 skis and then for a break skied some big freeride skis, the Atris being one of them. At the time I wrote....

So back to the compound and quickly out on the Doug Coombs anniversary skis K2 Coomba 114 complete with 'retro graphics'. And what a great ski, or was it just the better conditions?

The K2 Coomba 114 is classed as a touring ski and does come in a smaller width of 104 which might be the more sensible option if touring longer into the season?

With my appetite now whetted I took the Black Crows Atris 184 at 108 out and what a fun, but capable ski managing the icy hard pack on the piste before dropping off down into the untracked glades between the trees. If I was not so much into touring this could well be the ski for me!


Fast forward to last year, and I'd lost a ski in a slide (108 Scott Cascade) I was caught in and mounted with Guardians so I was in the market for a ski that I was going to mount some more downhill orientated touring bindings on and skis that I'd use in Japan and occasionally tour on.

I bought the 184 Atris and mounted Tectons on and so far this season this has pretty well been my one quiver ski - I've done some big tours on them 1,400m and the additional weight has not been too much of a penalty - though majority of touring has been powder as we've yet to have spring.

I've probably clocked up well over 50 days on them and I'm currently on the look out for another pair as the shops start their end of season sales.
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Mmmmmm just seen some 2017 184 that I can get for €350
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Thanks for the replies. Very helpful and informative. Think I'm sold on the atris! Lowest I've seen on UK sites is £370 so €350 seems like a bargain @Weathercam!
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So last day but one of the season and dropped into shop again, this time armed with €320 cash which a Frenchie can never resist....... Cool



Will probably on these mount some frame touring bindings such as Scott Guardians etc
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Weathercam how did you find the Camox? I have been looking at that, the Volkl 90eight (which I have tried) and the Navis. Too limited in Leeds to trial skis!
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@Cookiandmilk, I thought the Camox was excellent. I'd have no hesitation buying it as an all mountain resort ski. I personally found it handles everything well from quick piste skiing, chopped up stuff and powder. The only thing it struggled with was very icy hardpack (however even those on piste skis were sliding about so perhaps unfair to say they handled less well than a piste ski). Didn't get to try the navis although that was the model I was looking at before deciding that the wider atris (which I've bought!) would suit me better.
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Has anyone got experience on the Orb? I'd love to get the Atris, but realistically I spend far more time on ice/slush than powder (2 trips a year, early Jan and March). Don't know whether to compromise with the Camox or go for the extra stiffness of the Orb
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