 Poster: A snowHead
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I've got to decide which jacket to take with me for the upcoming trip. I have an older Eider jacket (over 10 years old, fits in the other thread) that is 3l Defender (proprietary membrane), it is strechy and nice, but it has deloped some "bubbles" all over it which I suppose is the layers delaminating (haven't tried ironing it yet). It is also not a ski jacket so lacks the sleeve pocket.
Who has experience with using jackets after delamination? Is it likely to affect the performance? Especially the "breathability" part?
I also have a Salewa jacket, 2 layers, also their proprietary membrane. This one is a ski jacket (received it as a present 4 years ago) and has more pockets etc but isn't very good at the "breathbility" part.
I am considering going back to the old jacket, but a bit wary that I'm going to end up wet (either from sweating or from precipitation getting in or both)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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In my experience the problem with delamination is that the waterproof membrane depends on being laminated to something tough for its own integrity. Once delaminated it’s incredibly flimsy and liable to damage. This will help the breathability but destroy the waterproofing.
I’d go with the newer jacket, but then I also think breathability is one of the all time great scams pulled by fabric and garment manufacturers... particularly in a sport like skiing, opening your zip a bit will be orders of magnitude more effective than any miracle fabric.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@snowdave, uhhh, no.
Try skiing for a day in a completely waterproof jacket...
miserable.
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It wants to rest in peace, let it go!!!!!
take the newer jacket
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@under a new name, I’ve run ultramarathons in completely waterproof non breathable jackets, my go to backpacking jacket (which has done a few hundred miles) isn’t breathable, and once a breathable jacket has wetted out (like every jacket I saw on the hill today) it’s not breathable either. It’s a marketing scam. I’d have been much more comfortable today in my £10 PU decathlon jacket which never wets out vs my “breathable” ski jacket.
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@snowdave, really? I am amazed.
Do you not sweat?
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Yes, but a “breathable”jacket has no effect on that. I can discern no difference in how damp i am if I use a breathable or non breathable waterproof jacket, sweat is produced as a liquid either way. What makes the difference is managing my temperature as well as possible, and ventilating whatever I wear. I skied for 20 years in buffalo type clothing which was great, but sacrificed waterproofing for ventilation and genuine breathability.
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@snowdave, I must be crap at managing my temperature. Mind you, skiing mixes higher intensity as you ski with no intensity on chairlifts...which makes it trickier.
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@snowdave, I’m also slightly curious that you can get a super light running jacket that isn’t breathable. What is it?
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| @snowdave, I’m also slightly curious that you can get a super light running jacket that isn’t breathable. What is it? |
bin liner?
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@Sack the Juggler, I was wondering 
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