 Poster: A snowHead
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Hi,
I was on my annual holiday last week and it was the first time I tried different types of skis throughout the week. Two of the skis in particular I noticed a big difference between, when I would have thought of them as very similar skis - Nordica Enforcer 93 and Black Crows Orb 91. I found the Enforcer much more stable at higher speeds on the piste, I felt more in control. With the Orb I never felt fully in control, the skis felt almost flimsy and I didn't have confidence in them when going fast. I felt like I was sliding a lot more. In the off piste / side piste stuff they felt OK.
My question is, can anyone tell me what specific differences in the skis could potentially be causing those different feelings? Or is it all in my head! It's a good learning experience for me as I can make a more informed decision on the type of ski I like.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I have often though that there should be a stiffness index for skis ... it would seem to be the main variable that is not covered in the specs
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Sometimes it is also the difference in flex between tips and tails and the middle of the ski which give a very different feel.
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@DavidYacht, @Scarpa, IMV torsional rigidity has more to do with it. I'm not so very sure there are such wild differences in longitudinal stiffness.
Certainly not such that can be determined by flexing them knowingly in shops.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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It would not be hard to have a testing jig for torsional rigidity.
I am looking for new skis for next year; I have a short list of four or five which I would love to test but am unlikely to get them all at the same time, so some kind of stiffness comparator would help me get to two or three ...
Brahma CA
Nordica Navigator 85
Atomic Vantage 85
Salomon XDR 88 Ti
Atomic Vantage 90 Cti
Looking for a not heavy, piste carving ski, that’s good in moguls and can do some between the piste stuff, and that does not overpower.
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that’s good in moguls
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skis are neither good nor bad in moguls...
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that’s good in moguls
skis are neither good nor bad in moguls...
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I take that you are suggesting that it is the skier and not the ski that counts ... I consider myself to be reasonably competent in bumps, but I have found that some skis are easier than others ...
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that’s good in moguls
skis are neither good nor bad in moguls...
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I take that you are suggesting that it is the skier and not the ski that counts ... I consider myself to be reasonably competent in bumps, but I have found that some skis are easier than others ...
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I take that you are suggesting that it is the skier and not the ski that counts
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How did you know?
In fairness, I found my old FIS slaloms slightly trickier in bumps as they had such fierce edge grip (down to the torsional rigidity).
I'm not sure (in the same way that marked radius is more or less meaningless in and of itself on a recreational ski) that a rigidity number would be informative.
Only way is to try before you buy
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FAQ
) I then bought some almost new Head Venturi 95s (replaced by kore93) despite or possibly because the bindings had been put on 55mm forward of recommended point they are a totally different ski though similar on paper to the sky7. Much more control, good carving and even quite nimble in the moguls.