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Not a subject I've really looked into, TBH, but I do know that 20-odd years ago I used to get issues after with the tip or tail grabbing after a shop service, so always did the detuning. Then I learnt to ski better and it was no longer an issue. Was this because the skis had changed? Could very well be, but I'd suggest that anyone suffering such issues should really look into whether they can be resolved with technique rather than technology.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Chaletbeauroc, Back on long skinny skis I didn't like them detuned, took some of the responsiveness out of them. Just needed to ski better. And not catch edges.
If there was no obvious hanging burr, etc., I am going to suspect user error. But will say that it sounds much more like a tuning malfunction. Happened to Mrs U and I a few years ago when someone in the shop forgot a final finish ...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Detuning is good for mogul skis and mogul skiing. You are less likely to catch an edge at your tips and tales when making short turns. I have seen it done in some very primitive ways on the slope.
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| @Chaletbeauroc, Back on long skinny skis I didn't like them detuned, took some of the responsiveness out of them. Just needed to ski better. And not catch edges. |
When on straight skis I certainly liked them detuned at tip and tail - but I only skied a week or two per year, so needed the forgiveness. The only exception was skiing out of Maribel Mottaret over 30 years ago, when most of the runs were sheet ice. I ended up hiring skis, as they needed sharpening every night, which meant it was cheaper to hire (as they didn't charge for the service) then get my own serviced. I asked to have no detuning....and by lunch time, they were getting blunt again. Those were the most consistently (boiler plate) icy conditions I've ever experienced.
As I have got better and on modern skis, I have not thought about detuning.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@skithesteelstealtheski, I'm not really qualified to comment, but I found my FIS SLs really quite surprisingly hard work in the zipline. Basically and not surprisingly, they just didn't like being asked to smear any part of the turns. Who knew huh? 
FIS GS however, very fine.
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One thing about doing your own tuning is you KNOW what was done You're not relying on them following your instructions, making assumptions about you and your skiing, etc. You can try things and decide if you like the results and then go make more changes that night. I cannot recommend it enough. I had to start doing it when I was skiing 4-5 days a week and my race daughter went off to college taking all the ski tuning stuff with her. So, in 2005, I started slowly building my skills and "shop".
I don't "detune", but hookiness can be an issue, so beyond the contact point I have a gradual base bevel increase to prevent the edge from engaging quite so soon in non-ballroom conditions. The edge is still sharp, with a 3° side bevel, but it provides a bit of relief. I lightly pass a gummi down the edge (no pressure) one pass, then feel for any remaining burr.
I used to try to get shops to follow instructions, but they are doing skis in quantity so they do what they want. The effort of returning things for a redo is emotionally exhausting. It's just easier if the tech you are mad at is yourself. And by doing it yourself you learn to identify what is causing the problem.
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@ousekjarr, @Klamm Franzer,
I must own up to being the "Third Man"
I'd used these skis for a couple of years from brand new "Kniesel Black Stars" and then had not used them, I needed to use them on a trip so thought it would be a good idea to get them serviced if nothing else to make sure the bindings are safe.
These skis used to be well behaved and did what skis are supposed to do.
But now after their first service, they were just nasty bitey things.
Yes they could hold an edge ... but were chittering to each other when on the traverse.
I took them to a local ski shop in Golden and they took the sharpness off the tips and tails for about 6"
They were better behaved but they are still naughty.
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