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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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What are you using them for - a bit of security on hard snow or more technical mixed climbing?
I have some Camp Nanotech crampons which are light but made out of steel. Great for non-technical ski touring/mountaineering
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I thought the Nanotechs were Alu with steel for the front points.
https://sectionhiker.com/camp-nanotech-xlc-crampons/
but I'm guessing you have these
http://www.camp.it/prodotti3.aspx?CAT=39&CDV=03&ART=~1624
I'd be using them mainly for higher altitude ski tours which would mean rocks at times and not just hard snow but not full on technical climbing/ice climbing. e.g. hope to do the Monte Rosa/Dufourspitze ski tour later this season. I also sometimes do 3000'ers here in Austria during the summer with mountain boots, again not full on technical climbing more mountain walking with the odd klettersteig thrown in.
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Tough one. Maybe I’m a bit old school but I’d prefer my heavy old grivels if I knew mixed terrain would be involved
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I am a pretty rubbish alpinist by the way so I like my kit to be as reassuring as possible
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There is not a huge weight difference between steel and aluminium - personally I would go hardened steel - with anti balling inserts. There is not much point having crampons if they won't hold on hard ice. I have both Al. and Fe. and never bother with my Al. crampons now.
Actually do you want to buy them, they are wonderful ! 
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@DB, I use Petzl Vasak for both touring and climbing. Not too heavy and well made. Fit well as a step in on my Vulcan boots and semi-automatic on my TLT7 boots. Used for everything from plodding to Scottish VI
Wouldn't fancy aluminium on hard ice or rocks.
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I still have a pair of old Grivel 2Fs, they are damn heavy. I can also fit my Charlet Moser climbing crampons on my ski boots, again a little heavy but very technical.
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@DB,
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| Was thinking of the Petzl Irvis or Irvis Hybrid |
It's a case of horses-for-courses : if your touring is going to include a lot of mixed snow/ice/rock routes then steel would be the way to go.
However for the majority of time ski-touring if your cramps are staying in your pack you want the lightest possible, so for max weight/functionality I've gone for the Petzl Irvis Hybrids.
Used them in anger negotiating a frozen waterfall in the Stubai, and the steel fronts were excellent: super spiky and no sign of dulling. The alloy heels are showing a bit of wear from the rock, but overall it's a good combination. The cord-tec connector is super-strong Dyneema cord so works well, but I guess you wouldn't want to subject it to prolonged use.
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I find my haute routes ok for ski touring boot packing and ice scrambles.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The above is a really useful site.
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Aluminium is all you need for ski touring.
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You know it makes sense.
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| geoffers wrote: |
| .... for the majority of time ski-touring if your cramps are staying in your pack you want the lightest possible........... |
Sounds like me, so I have Camp XLC 390 serving as ballast. Very light but possibly made from cheese.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Camp XLC 390 for me too - with home-made anti-balling plates. They work well enough on the few occasions I've needed them. They are a bit finicky on adjustment though - perhaps exacerbated by the small lugs on the front of my TLT5 boots.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@altis,
Would be interested to see how you made a set of balling plates yourself.
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Another vote here for the Irvis Hybrid - have used these and the leopard for various things over the last couple of years and I am a fan... Also have a pair of classic Vasaks if I am actually going to be on anything with decent amounts of climbing on ice or rock.
I have used full Alus in the past ski mountaineering but have also had some 'experiences' with them on steep slopes with underlying glacial ice where I would have much preferred to be on steel front points at least.
The Irvis Hybrid is a good compromise - as mentioned above they are quite light, and also fold down really small for the large amount of time they are likely to be in your pack.
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@altis,
Thanks
Looks like I can buy the anti balling plates for around €45 which is way too expensive for what they are.
Should be able to piece something together out of thick plastic (e.g. bleach or clothes conditioner bottle). Will probably need to use some sort of wire to faster them to the crampons though.
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That should do it. Just watch out you don't foul the slidey bar when you compress the crampons.
Blimey, with all this DIY we'll be taking up telemark next 
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duct tape works pretty well as antiballing plate - obviously it wears out but then you just replace. if you are just using crampons for summit ridges etc then it will last a multiday tour
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I've done plenty 4000m peaks on Aluminium lightweight crampons, but my main hobby is climbing, so reasonably proficient. Bashed them over plenty rocks in the 25 years I have had them. Ancient Bonatti ones bought in a Nevis sport sale back in the day. Gaffa tape for anti ball plates.
The present lightweight Decathlon ones look great, an .half the price of the big names.
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Wow this is a blast from the pre-COVID past. Feeling guilty now, after all the great advice I never did get round to making the anti-balling plates but instead bought some new lighter crampons. (sorry @altis it's the thought that counts and I did think about it). In my defence they were for a multi-day / multi 4000er peak ski-touring trip so needed something lighter and smaller then me 20 year old irons.
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I know you are sorted DB but thought I would post this for others info
https://eu.blueice.com/products/harfang
I will be reviewing some of these this winter, probably as a comparison to the petzl iris hybrid.
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@ecrinscollective,
Please do they look great.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I will try and remember to post a link here when done, I may do an initially look at them when they get here, and a more in-depth in spring when they have been used in anger a lot more.
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