What I think he means, is bobbing up and down in a Old School style, as you up unweight to change edge. This is particularly noticeable if doing Short Swing Turns, where you have a hard edge set, that can "pop" you up, as you rebound off the ski.
It was something that I had to work hard on, to remove from my skiing.
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DB wrote:
davidof wrote:
but more seriously, it may be me but I don't have a clue what he's talking about.
thanks, that would tire me out to be honest, I quite like it though. I remember a BASI instructor I skied with did every turn with a little pop of the ground like that. It looked pretty cool back in the day.
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Old Fartbag wrote:
What I think he means, is bobbing up and down in a Old School style, as you up unweight to change edge. This is particularly noticeable if doing Short Swing Turns, where you have a hard edge set, that can "pop" you up, as you rebound off the ski.
It was something that I had to work hard on, to remove from my skiing.
ahh be nice to see a video if anyone finds one, maybe the OP has some footage?
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dogwatch wrote:
kekekuan wrote:
Is the poping a bad habit?
Yes it's a cardinal sin.
Brilliant.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
davidof wrote:
Old Fartbag wrote:
What I think he means, is bobbing up and down in a Old School style, as you up unweight to change edge. This is particularly noticeable if doing Short Swing Turns, where you have a hard edge set, that can "pop" you up, as you rebound off the ski.
It was something that I had to work hard on, to remove from my skiing.
ahh be nice to see a video if anyone finds one, maybe the OP has some footage?
This guy explains and demonstrates the vertical movement, which makes it easier when learning the short turn (or when on straight skis) ...@40 secs. He then says to drop it, as you get better.
@Old Fartbag, Me two as an old skool skier who had to unlearn the pop!
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kitenski wrote:
@Old Fartbag, Me two as an old skool skier who had to unlearn the pop!
I thought I was being stylish....while everyone else was falling about laughing. The Pop, the 80s Neon colours, the glacier sunnies and the strange woolly hat, all had to go. I have now been homogenized into drab colours, helmet and large Oakley Goggles....although I did go through my Gaper period.
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Old Fartbag wrote:
This guy explains and demonstrates the vertical movement, which makes it easier when learning the short turn (or when on straight skis) ...@40 secs. He then says to drop it, as you get better.
We had a lesson last season with ESF and they were promoting this "pop" on a turn, but for every turn. Not just short, sharp ones.
It really threw me as it seemed forced to do it at times, especially on a wide turn not going particularly fast. It had never been mentioned to us in any lesson in the UK or France before then.
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DB wrote:
davidof wrote:
but more seriously, it may be me but I don't have a clue what he's talking about.
Was in Obergurgl last Easter skiing with Gerald and he took down a really steep gulley. Gerald's brilliant at short swings and jump turns and...I'm not and will practise more this season.
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Fridge03 wrote:
We had a lesson last season with ESF and they were promoting this "pop" on a turn, but for every turn. Not just short, sharp ones.
It really threw me ...
I’ll bet!
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@Fridge03, did the instructor explain why they wanted you to pop up?
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kitenski wrote:
@Old Fartbag, Me two as an old skool skier who had to unlearn the pop!
Me three.
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Old Fartbag wrote:
... I have now been homogenized into drab colours, helmet and large Oakley Goggles....although I did go through my Gaper period.
Time for you to go post-modern retro. Pull out the tweed plus fours n thick woolly jumper you use for golf. Preferably with a pipe and aviators! I would in an instant if my skiing was expert level
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Big difference between popping with your upper body, as described in the OP, and using your legs to create a short swing / Speiss Turn / jump turn as demoed by Warren. The former might be a bad habit (although impossible to say without seeing), the latter a useful technique for some situations as well as a great drill for activating your ankle joints (he said with aching ankles...).
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ALQ wrote:
Old Fartbag wrote:
... I have now been homogenized into drab colours, helmet and large Oakley Goggles....although I did go through my Gaper period.
Time for you to go post-modern retro. Pull out the tweed plus fours n thick woolly jumper you use for golf. Preferably with a pipe and aviators! I would in an instant if my skiing was expert level
I certainly could do "shabby chic".
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
@Old Fartbag, Bognor (not Regis) is the brand for you
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
@ALQ, er, Bogner I think.
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@Hurtle, A good spot. But a bit too good. Have you been eyeing the catalogue for your new adventures next year?
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@ALQ, I must confess to having once owned a Bogner fartbag. It was very stylish and understated, plain navy blue, and I absolutely adored it. Whilst it cost me several limbs, it lasted for at least 20-30 trips, so I reckon on having got my money's worth. I have never owned a warmer or more flattering item of ski apparel before or since.
There was a funny story associated with its purchase. I was skiing in Whistler, wearing a cheap and cheerful fartbag (white with purple and green flashes on the shoulders, I'm sure you know the sort of thing ) when I fell in such a way as to rip open the whole of the back of it, from the collar to the bum. I think I must have fallen on a ski somehow. You can imagine the comments I got on the way back to my lodgings. Anyway, it was clear that I would have to purchase something new and the first thing I tried on was the Bogner, which was a perfect fit, including the length of the legs and sleeves - you will realise that that can sometimes be a problem for me. I then pondered whether to trawl round some more shops, in order to find something cheaper, but decided that I would never find anything as smart or well fitting, so bought it. Bread and water for the rest of that holiday!
I've just looked at the catalogue. Hideous things at completely crazy prices. Not even slightly tempted.
/thread drift
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I must confess my ignorance How are you supposed to unweight into a turn without "raising" your upper body and then pushing down as you come out of the turn? Am I years out of date?
@Hurtle, excellent story. Would be better with pics!
I’m sure your fartbag looked fabulous and was very fashionable ... in those days (i note you’re not on the B.B. so I’m safe)
Must say, all the ladies are always very well turned out. It’s the men that need to shape up, including me, but excluding Mr Pink.
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@billb, by managing pressure, using the pole plant and retracting the legs, although, in deep, heavy snow, where you have to get the skis out of the snow, a bit of an up movement may still be helpful as, the legs will only retract so much.
Big difference between popping with your upper body, as described in the OP, and using your legs to create a short swing / Speiss Turn / jump turn as demoed by Warren. The former might be a bad habit (although impossible to say without seeing), the latter a useful technique for some situations as well as a great drill for activating your ankle joints (he said with aching ankles...).
Interesting WS videos. Some friends taught me to make short swings (or jump turns?) with the ski tips just lightly still touching the snow; I found it an energy efficient way of coping with steep narrow descents. I shall be having a steeps session with easiski this season - I'll see what she has to say on that.
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@billb, modern technique on modern skis generally requires little to no unweighting...
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Have to say I'm quite partial to a few old school poppy short swings at times. Skiing's about what feels good, not just the most efficient way to get down.
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@Kelskii, @under a new name, surely, as you turn, you are taking weight off the uphill ski and then increasing weight on the downhill ski. In which case, what is wrong with upper body vertical movement? And, when you say "modern" skis, how many years back can we go e.g. can we include carvers from 10 years ago, say?
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billb wrote:
I must confess my ignorance How are you supposed to unweight into a turn without "raising" your upper body and then pushing down as you come out of the turn? Am I years out of date?
A much better/less confusing term than "unweight", is transfer of weight.
Old school unweighting, was usually done by Up Unweighting (but confusingly, there was also Down Unweighting).
One way of describing the changing of edges, without upward movement, is "Flex to release"...ie. Absorb the forces with the knees (like a shock absorber), which minimizes any upward movement.
On Long turns, you can transfer weight, by adding it to the top ski, or removing it from the bottom ski. The former can introduce a "Pop" if you are not subtle and moving forward and across.
On carved short turns, the legs should extend and retract, without upward movement. Great explanation by Darren Turner:
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How are you supposed to unweight into a turn without "raising" your upper body and then pushing down as you come out of the turn? Am I years out of date?
ladies are always very well turned out. It’s the men that need to shape up, including me, but excluding Mr Pink.