 Poster: A snowHead
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| Old Man Of Lech wrote: |
| There are plenty of pockets in ski wear these days for pretty much anything you NEED to carry. |
Really? Tried it, got told I looked like a stuffed Michelin man, with everything bulging out in front. Not fun if you fall forward on it either. And it still didn't all fit.
I NEED to carry: 2 large adrenaline injection syringes (wish that I didn't), pair of spare spectacles in case of loss of contact lens (ditto), 1.5-2 litres hydrating fluid in varyingly-sized bottles (and that easily gets drunk in a day), some basic carb food bars/bikkies (eaten + emergency sugar spare), small first aid/comfort kit, basic spare silk and overgloves (often get very wet and need changing, esp. in cold or snow - or occasionally lost), spare or additional buff/balaclava, spare pair goggles (sensitive eyes, can't find one that covers everything from bright sun to flat dull light in 1 day), lens cloth, mobile, medication tablets various, sunscreen if appropriate, basic mending kit (zipties, cord, safety pins, crabs, tape, multitool). Sometimes small camera also.
Not all of that fits into pockets, especially if wrapped for warmth and fall protection, usually just because of size. Some does.
All of that has been put into my kit - which is a 10l compact rucksac - over many years of personal experience in UK and overseas ski or boarding, most is used every trip (or hopefully not, but can't take the chance of not carrying).
Note no wallet (just c/card), no keys and no extra clothing, on or off (but then if conditions get hot it gets tied round waist, so dangles...  ).
So please tell me what I should leave at home next time: my svelte ski-bunny figure and hi-fashion outfit would be most grateful 
Oh, and that's on piste, so not with emergency & avvy kit that I'd need or want to take there or for more possible weather extremes.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| t44tomo wrote: |
| queen bodecia wrote: |
| @Scarlet, thanks! Now that I'm home I have counted, I have 5 pockets in my ski jacket including the little sleeve one for the lift pass. None are big enough for my wallet and two are ridiculously positioned right on my boobies so I wouldn't be using them. Women carry handbags for a reason. When skiing handbags can easily be replaced by a small backpack. |
I've got 8 in mine, all good sized and no boobies.😉
Snoody, why do you need to carry 2 litres of water? |
Probably teh same reason I do - to drink.
I actually only carry 1.5L, in a camelbak, and it is usually empty or very close by the end of the day. Occasionally I've had to refill it during teh day, if I can find potable tap water.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I'm starting to wonder if backpacks are seen by some as a red flag warning sign screaming "this person isn't high class enough to afford full mountain prices for every little snack / drink / amenity / convenience they may require during the day... Ahh, remember the good old days when only the well-off could partake? What a shame we have all this riff-raff crowding out our pistes nowadays" 
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| Thornyhill wrote: |
| t44tomo wrote: |
Snoody, why do you need to carry 2 litres of water? |
I didn't know there was a limit. Does it depend on your skiing abilities? |
I wouldn't have thought so, I never got thirsty as a poo-poo skier and don't really as a decent one. I usually stop for a mid morning coffee and late lunch but have never felt the need to consume 2l of fluids whilst skiing, but each unto his or her own.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| TangoBravo wrote: |
An idea:
Don't like wearing backpacks? - Don't.
Do like wearing them? - Do.
I'm a bag wearer through and through. I have seen the weather turn enough times to make it worth my while. Growing up in Scotland and being in a profession that involves being cold and wet frequently has given me a respect for the mountains.
I carry a warm jacket for when I/someone crashes. I think we can all agree that injured people get very cold v. quickly on the hills.
A small but fairly advanced first aid fit, too. A friend of mine had his femoral artery cut open by a rogue toboggan-an extreme example. I have some decent medical training; if I saw a friend injured and could do nothing I'd feel pretty poo-poo.
I'm comfortable with my decision, and the kit I carry; it doesn't negatively affect anyone else. What negatively affects others is people not respecting mountain weather or being able to look after themselves.
Risk aware, not risk averse/don't plan; prepare. |
I have some sympathy with that. Liked a back pack for similar reasons from my hillwalking scrambling days - and later, when regularly skiing off piste, carrying avvy gear round as well as the odd spare layer of clothing, bad weather googles first aid kit, rescue blanket and so forth. That said, now that I ski on piste only, I tend to enjoy the freedom of not wearing a back pack. But I can't see any reason for antipathy towards those who do.
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| jjams82 wrote: |
| I'm starting to wonder if backpacks are seen by some as a red flag warning sign screaming "this person isn't high class enough to afford full mountain prices for every little snack / drink / amenity / convenience they may require during the day... Ahh, remember the good old days when only the well-off could partake? What a shame we have all this riff-raff crowding out our pistes nowadays" |
You would have to be in-bred and spending someone else's money (aka upper class) if you are going to buy kids new kit and throw it away every time they have a change of mind.
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In my jacket I carry, piste map, hat, sunblock, camera, phone, OHs shades, vape, liner gloves- suffer from the cold. In my pants cash and a hanky. My mum used to make me carry Kendall mint cake and juice. Don't have boobs.
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Stupidly enough now I think of it, part of the reason i don't cary all my stuff in my pockets is that it interferes with the backpack straps. Hmm.
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@t44tomo, so that I can drink it, why else would I have it?
I'm a big fat lad that gets very hot so need to rehydrate. I can easily drink a litre of water in a day of skiing and not need to go to the toilet, it would stupid to think that I wasn't dehydrated in that situation.
What I really can't understand though is why you care? Does my wearing of a backpack offend you?
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it doesn't bother me at all, as long as I'm not having to carry it for you, like I said above each unto his or her own. I was just surprised at the amount, 2 litres is quite heavy (2kg to be predise😉) and if I drunk that much I'd be constantly going to the loo, but we are all different.
If I skied somewhere where food and drink was expensive then I might well do the same and carry some stuff with me, have mainly done Austria and Slovenia of late , both of which have decent priced on piste refreshments, so can get away with just a pack of haribo in the pockets.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Scarlet wrote: |
| @Old Man Of Lech, in defence of @queen bodecia, I think you may also be assuming that women's clothing contains pockets of the same size and number that men's clothing has. It does not. |
^^^this! I completely agree. My lovely jacket (bought for Christmas a couple of years ago) has four pockets: two large ones on the sides/front, one tiny, inside one for a phone or iPod and a sleeve pocket for lift pass. I carry phone, a couple of credit cards and some money (a few notes maybe but not much in the way of coins), a small suncream, lip balm and tissues. Sometimes a piste map. There really isn't much room for anything else. Extras for DD go in DH's backpack. She carries a similar number of bits and bobs to me (except the CCs)
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@t44tomo, I can drink best part of 2 litres and not have a pee all day, which is exactly the reason that I carry so much. I don't like carrying a bag and I certainly don't like the weight, but it's better than being dehydrated.
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| SnoodyMcFlude wrote: |
| @t44tomo, I can drink best part of 2 litres and not have a pee all day, which is exactly the reason that I carry so much. I don't like carrying a bag and I certainly don't like the weight, but it's better than being dehydrated. |
The reason you sweat out such a colossal amount is that you're working twice as hard as the rest of us...... carrying around two litres of water! 
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I don't really care if people want to ski with backpacks or not, although one wonders why it seems to be such a peculiarly British obsession. I do think there is little doubt that wearing a BP increases the risks on a chairlift, even if not massively. I also think it is inevitable that it has a small, but negative, effect on one's skiing. Rasing your centre of gravity and moving it a few inches aft can only be a bad thing.
I can't help feeling that many BP wearers seem to have convinced themselves that they need one and couldn't manage without. Erroneously IMO. And then start carrying around kit that they might theoretically need, but the likelihood is extremely low. E.g. Leatherman tools, spare gloves etc. I also think that the modern terror of dehydration is misplaced. But that's just a personal view.
All that's slightly irrelevant. Wear one if you want to.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@SnoodyMcFlude, If you feel the need to carry litres of water then that is your decision. It shouldn't be any skin off any one else's nose
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I wear a child's 10l backpack, which holds the essentials (including a small water bottle) and doesn't pose any problems on lifts or off. And does any women really put her goggles in the (boob) goggle pocket? It's spectacularly uncomfortable and must have been designed by a bloke for a joke .
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I can well understand some feeling that back packs are dangerous on the chair lifts. I have seen some people wearing HUGE backpacks, and then trying to slide on the chair, and often thought it had to be a bit difficult. If carrying a backpack I am sure small ones will hold what you need, no need to look like you're going on a weekend break . The huge backpacks are very annoying when stuck in ques behind them, or worse on a cable car where everyone is squished in like sardines. Some big donkey with a back pack will just smother the smaller people behind them. ( like me). I am a small woman with two kids, have skied since the 80s never carried a backpack, kids carry their own snack for the energy low, in their own pockets, we eat a good breakfast, and we also carry small bottles of water, which you can refill in mountain bars most places I have skied. ( haven't been skiing in France in a few years though). We eat lunch on the mountain but usually a slice of pizza, or something small, so it doesn't cost a fortune. I don't put my goggles in a goggle pocket, I have a deep pocket in the side of my ski jacket, rather like the pocket in the back of a shooting barber, and I put them in there or use them to just hold my hat on, 
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Mon 9-01-17 19:52; edited 1 time in total
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biddpyat:- Well said.
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
I can't help feeling that many BP wearers seem to have convinced themselves that they need one and couldn't manage without. Erroneously IMO. ... |
We don't all have servants to carry our stuff. That is reserved for old Etonians and politicians
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Backpacks worn on the back in standing cable cars are a right pain, as they are on crowded tube trains, especially if the wearing keeps twisting around, knocking people flying in the process. The courteous people wear them on the front in this situation or put them between their feet.
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| biddpyat wrote: |
| rather like the pocket in the back of a shooting barber |
And of course we all have one of these in our wardrobes !!
Incidentally on the subject of wearing them in confined spaces, I couldn't agree more; they're a right pain on public transport which means they'll be just the same in cable cars and gondolas.
Last week, despite numerous signs in Italian, English and French I reckon I was the only one taking mine off in the cable up from Pianalunga in Alagna
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