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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Time to look for another airline.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hmmm, better not be my Boxing Day flight.
Gotta love Unite Union nonsense:
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Well first thing is to wait to see what dates the staff/Unite call, and selfishly hope it's not a date you are flying.
Booking anything else now until specific dates are called and the airline informs you that your flight is definitely effected, ie. on a speculative basis, would be at your own cost/risk.
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AFAICS it's just members in Mixed Fleet who were balloted, which is a subset of (newer) BA cabin crew on worse pay than the rest. Which is probably their point.
Routes are crewed by a single fleet so I guess this only impacts the routes that currently are operated by mixed fleet.
The latest list of routes I can find is getting on for a year old and has Venice (and Bologna and Stuttgart) as mixed fleet, but nothing else near the Alps.
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@mtsuit, do you happen to know if Basel is Mixed Fleet on that list? I'm (supposed to be) flying home for Christmas Basel to Heathrow on the 23rd...
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@mtsuit, bugger. Thanks very much for checking.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Flying BA on 22nd December... But Stockholm (STO) and Stockholm Arlanda (ARN) are not on the mixed-fleet list @mtsuit posted... Fingers crossed then.
Personally I don't see why a robot can't come down the aisle and serve me a drink.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Personally I don't see why a robot can't come down the aisle and sell me a drink. |
FIFY
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@mtsuit, It may be the point, but BA was unlikely to survive paying the scales of the old legacy airline (effectively a national carrier) where a senior cabin crew member could be earning far more than a first officer.
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You know it makes sense.
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BA not my favourite airline today. Cancelled my flight home from Abuja to London 😡 And next flight ........oh sorry sir it's tomorrow!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Flying BA on 22nd December... But Stockholm (STO) and Stockholm Arlanda (ARN) are not on the mixed-fleet list @mtsuit posted... Fingers crossed then.
Personally I don't see why a robot can't come down the aisle and serve me a drink. |
Yes , I think the same robot could be opening the doors on Southern, how does the tube work with no one opening the door, if it is a safety issue on a train why not the underground? The tube is far more crowded and people impatient. Unite have missed a trick here, poor drivers are doing two jobs.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Personally I don't see why a robot can't come down the aisle and serve me a drink. |
Ah but can that robot get you off that plane in an emergency, give first aid/CPR or sort out argumentative or drunk passengers?
(My friend was on the old contract until she took redundancy last year. The Unite union were very good at protecting that contract from many challenges over the years.)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@chocksaway, *their* point. To an outsider the old contract seemed too generous and ultimately kept alive by the over-the-odds fares we pay because a union has defended its people in a market where it's almost impossible for a start-up to disrupt a former flag carrier on long haul routes from major hubs due to capacity limits.
Cabin crew is seen as a glamorous job with good travel and perks and has low training/qualification needs to join so there's plenty of supply of people: if BA can't recruit or retain sufficiently quality staff on these wages they'll need to put them up, but if it looks good on a CV, lets you work long-haul (eventually?), meet people, and enjoy yourself so -- much like seasons -- there seems to be a ready supply of good people willing to do it at least for a while even on low wages.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Innsbruck from LHR is a new route so wouldn't be on that list... anyone know if it is mixed fleet...
Flying LHR/INN Jan 7th - silly me changed it from LGW/INN as times better...
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@buchanan101, I don't think it's affected. I'm going on NYD, so I hope not.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| laundryman wrote: |
| @buchanan101, I don't think it's affected. I'm going on NYD, so I hope not. |
just asked ex-sister in law and an ex gf who are both BA LHR cabin crew to see if they know for sure...
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If this drags on, dollars to doughnuts that the Feb week will be next target... :/
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| @buchanan101, I don't think it's affected. I'm going on NYD, so I hope not. |
just asked ex-sister in law and an ex gf who are both BA LHR cabin crew to see if they know for sure... |
HOT off the press from ex sister in law - LHR/INN is Eurofleet so won't be affected.. 
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Commentor on an Independent article says Tokyo Haneda went worldwide fleet this summer so shouldnt be affected, but weren't sure. Can any insiders confirm or deny? Not sure i could cope with having to cancel Hokkaido trip.
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@Bennyboy1, Funnily enough shortly after reading that I opened Facebook and saw an almost identical message from a colleague also due to fly Abuja to London today. Still, at least it's Abuja and you're not stuck in Lagos ! 
I'd seen on an older Flyertalk thread that Lyon was on Mixed crew, (selfishly of interest to me as I'm flying there on NYE) but thankfully it doesn't appear to be in the more recent lists. I was googling and found this one published in the independent today.
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/british-airways-strikes-which-what-christmas-new-year-flights-travel-plans-disrupted-affected-a7476416.html :-
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British Airways does not publish lists, and routes shift frequently from one fleet to another — especially at the “seasonal boundaries” between winter and summer timetables. From a range of sources, I have compiled a list that I believe to be correct; please do not rely on it, because I have not had official confirmation.
Routes believed to be crewed by Mixed Fleet, December 2016/January 2017
UK Domestic: Aberdeen, Belfast City, Manchester
Europe: Basel, Bergen, Bologna, Budapest, Dusseldorf, Gibraltar, Gothenburg, Hamburg, Hannover, Helsinki, Kiev, Krakow, Lisbon, Luxembourg, Marseille, Moscow, Oslo, Paris Orly, Pisa, Prague, St Petersburg, Stavanger, Stuttgart, Vienna, Warsaw, Zagreb
US/Canada: Atlanta, Austin, Calgary, Chicago, Houston, Las Vegas, Miami, Philadelphia, San Diego, San Jose, Seattle
Latin America: Santiago
Middle East: Abu Dhabi, Muscat, Tel Aviv
Africa: Abuja, Cairo, Cape Town, Johannesburg, Lagos, Nairobi
Asia/Australia: Bangkok, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Sydney, Tokyo Haneda
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Thanks for the link - in the comments under that article someone said that Haneda changed to worldwide fleet in the summer, but they weren't sure it still was. Offering massive christmas karma to anyone with inside info as to whether Heathrow to Haneda is worldwide fleet. 'Pay more for BA, it's a much better experience all round' 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| buchanan101 wrote: |
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| @buchanan101, I don't think it's affected. I'm going on NYD, so I hope not. |
just asked ex-sister in law and an ex gf who are both BA LHR cabin crew to see if they know for sure... |
HOT off the press from ex sister in law - LHR/INN is Eurofleet so won't be affected.. |
Thank you! Phew, flying on 23rd Dec.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I'm doing Heathrow - Zurich on NYE but this doesn't feature on the mixed fleet list so, hopefully, will be OK.
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Those in the know, do you think I'll be impacted? Flying LHR to Zurich on Saturday 17th, returning on Christmas Eve..
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You know it makes sense.
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Personally I don't see why a robot can't come down the aisle and serve me a drink. |
Ah but can that robot get you off that plane in an emergency, give first aid/CPR or sort out argumentative or drunk passengers? |
I'll open the emergency exit, no problem. You can say the same about safety on a coach or train, but they don't have numerous cabin crew.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I figure a robot with a tasar could subdue unruly passengers quite effectively.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Themasterpiece wrote: |
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| Themasterpiece wrote: |
Personally I don't see why a robot can't come down the aisle and serve me a drink. |
Ah but can that robot get you off that plane in an emergency, give first aid/CPR or sort out argumentative or drunk passengers? |
I'll open the emergency exit, no problem. You can say the same about safety on a coach or train, but they don't have numerous cabin crew. |
BA cabin crew have to take annual safety exams which they get rather stressed about and they are more involved and detailed than you might imagine. If they don't pass they cannot fly.
They also get hijack/hostage training. They might save your life one day.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Cinsha wrote: |
| Themasterpiece wrote: |
| Cinsha wrote: |
| Themasterpiece wrote: |
Personally I don't see why a robot can't come down the aisle and serve me a drink. |
Ah but can that robot get you off that plane in an emergency, give first aid/CPR or sort out argumentative or drunk passengers? |
I'll open the emergency exit, no problem. You can say the same about safety on a coach or train, but they don't have numerous cabin crew. |
BA cabin crew have to take annual safety exams which they get rather stressed about and they are more involved and detailed than you might imagine. If they don't pass they cannot fly.
They also get hijack/hostage training. They might save your life one day. |
The days of hijacking planes are over. People are not going to sit around waiting for them to fly it into a building.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@mtsuit, Absolutely, the Virgin model! Unfortunately, for him, Beardie had to recruit BA pilots and rues it to this day!
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Baggage handlers going on strike now
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Son's supposed to be travelling out to join us by plane on Christmas Eve 
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Baggage handlers going on strike now
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Lets b****r everyone's Christmas, utter tw*ts 
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Brilliant!! I fly out on the 24th.
So how do I find out if Thomson use Swissport or not?
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Baggage handlers going on strike now
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Lets b****r everyone's Christmas, utter tw*ts |
Scum
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Set of bas****s. Beyond despicable at this time of year.
We fly Christmas Day in the afternoon from Manchester to Munich (Lufthansa) so no idea how this will impact us.
Hopefully that parasite Len McCluskey can resolve something here otherwise it could be terrible for many families.
Anyone who wants to strike should be sacked on the spot and someone who Is desperate for the job should be able to apply, get the bas****s on the dole then they would only wish for their job back.!
Good luck to everyone..
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