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The weather pattern looks ominously similar:
Good dumps in November which allow resorts to open early, or to open with good coverage.
Thereafter no snow of any consequence in the whole of December.
The fallen snow gets weathered off, or skied off.
Pretty poor skiing at Christmas and into very early January.
I admit I am concerned....because if this does happen (and it looks very likely at the moment given medium/longer term forecasts) then it will do really serious damage to the Ski Industry, which is already in a poor state overall.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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depends where you're going really. Currently, low resorts are struggling, but try telling anyone in the southern alps, espace killy, val thorens, cervinia-Zermatt, monte rosa etc that there is an issue currently...
One good dump on 20th December and (for piste skiing at least) you'd probably be oblivious to the fact that there was a problem before.
Disclaimer: it could also be just as bad as last year in a lot of places of course. Could depend on the high pressure shifting literally 100km or so to the north or east. Lap of the gods...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Agreed, it currently looks even worse than last season, which I didn't think would be possible. Lot's of businesses could be feeling a very serious pinch as by all accounts bookings are considerably down and the weather forecast/current conditions will be doing nothing to counter that!
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Yep, seems pretty similar. Like last year, the Pyrenees have got off to a bit of a better start I think. Grandvalira (Andorra) in particular has got 147 km open, although a few smaller resorts have got an even better percentage of pistes open. Nothing much snowy on the horizon though...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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The European Alps are melting and drying due to global warming.
Anyone with a business or property below 1800-2000m needs to think carefully about the future.
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The one difference I observe with a difference to last season is that resorts with snow making were too optimistic about deploying their resources and held off - it was then too warm to make a base in Xmas week. I think this year they are bashing it out much more to create an opening base for xmas.
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I was looking at the weather predictions and thinking the same.
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Around the Amade region the snow making has been going full guns. Pistes are running fine, but I am dreaming of some decent off piste 
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Good start to the season in Sierra Nevada!
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I sure hope not!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Actually, in one respect it is exactly like 2015, and 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, ...
A goodly number of people shortening their lives through needless anxiety worrying about something they have absolutely no control over.
Everything completely normal and as usual...
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I think it is looking like a repeat. North America is about to get pounded with some storms, just like last Christmas. I'm staying state side this Christmas. No last minute cancellations like last year! Will be skiing powder tomorrow in Washington state. Plan to take a few days off mid-week for the next forecasted storm. Looks good and cold and snowy, just like last year for most of the Cascades, British Columbia, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah. California could shape up to look decent too.
But hopefully for Euro mtn ranges, things don't repeat like last Christmas.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Toadman, only to the extent that such weather patterns are entirely normal for the time of year...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Going on last 3 years, and looks like a repeat this year. Never book anything till mid January
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The prospects certainly don't look great for much of the French alps at "ordinary" altitudes with some very mild weather looking pretty certain. But no point fretting about it; that does nothing but fur up your arteries.
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@diarmuidlynch, pretty much everything is forecast to be open. The limiting factor will be ski fitness...!
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @diarmuidlynch, pretty much everything is forecast to be open. The limiting factor will be ski fitness...! |
Good luck so!!!Dont forget to send a report!!
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It's not right is it I mean the mini ice age which happened between the 1300's up to the mid 1800's would of perfect for today with the Ski industry, commercialism of Christmas, central heating and winter clothing and warm houses and cars we have the luxury off yet the poor bugs back then had all the snow and none of our modern day trappings yet we are losing the snow.
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| 808tone wrote: |
It's not right is it I mean the mini ice age which happened between the 1300's up to the mid 1800's would of perfect for today with the Ski industry, commercialism of Christmas, central heating and winter clothing and warm houses and cars we have the luxury off yet the poor bugs back then had all the snow and none of our modern day trappings yet we are losing the snow.
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Well if everybody who wanted to Ski lived near the Alps or a mountain and was a Vegetarian then it would all be fine. Lets forget the whole thing that the climate has being going around like a Ping Pong ball since time began!!
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Devoid of scientific fact or meteorological experience I predict that millions of people will happily slide down white mountains in Europe and the other parts of the world from December 2016 until May 2017. I will be one of them and like many others I will be ambivalent as to whether the depth of snow beneath me is 20 cm or 100 cm (rocks, ouch that`s expensive but hey that`s life) or whether it will snow on February 7th from 10:00 am until 19:00. Weather watching is great fun but not worth worrying about - if its green there`s always cycling and Jim Beam !.
12th Jan for me, tick follows tock.........................
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| snowplowed wrote: |
Devoid of scientific fact or meteorological experience, I predict that millions of people will happily slide down white mountains in Europe and the other parts of the world from December 2016 until May 2017. I will be one of them and like many others I will be ambivalent as to whether the depth of snow beneath me is 20 cm or 100 cm (rocks, ouch that`s expensive but hey that`s life) or whether it will snow on February 7th from 10:00 am until 19:00. Weather watching is great fun but not worth worrying about - if its green there`s always cycling and Jim Beam !.
12th Jan for me, tick follows tock......................... |
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Outlook looking like x4 poor Christmases in a row at low-lying ski resorts in Europe....
Dear me, I'm starting to sound like good old White-the glaciers are all melting and we're doomed-gold....Yes, DOOMED I say!
Just as well I'm off to Tignes on 9th Dec 
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@mountainaddict, not at all. Poor snow in low lying resorts is entirely normal. Thus snow cannons.
I think I repeat this around the same time every year, in 1933 (or so, annual repetition insufficient for 100% recall) Kitzbuhel town council, yes - that Kitzbuhel - decided they couldn't advertise as a Winter sports resort for the xmas holidays as they couldn't be sure there would be snow...
This is not new.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Whitegold wrote: |
The European Alps are melting and drying due to global warming.
Anyone with a business or property below 1800-2000m needs to think carefully about the future. |
Anyone who calls it global warming is ill-informed. It's climate change and it's not all bad news for snow @Whitegold Be thankful for the snow we do have...
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You know it makes sense.
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| rungsp wrote: |
The weather pattern looks ominously similar:
Good dumps in November which allow resorts to open early, or to open with good coverage.
Thereafter no snow of any consequence in the whole of December.
The fallen snow gets weathered off, or skied off.
Pretty poor skiing at Christmas and into very early January.
I admit I am concerned....because if this does happen (and it looks very likely at the moment given medium/longer term forecasts) then it will do really serious damage to the Ski Industry, which is already in a poor state overall. |
I wouldn't be concerned at all to be honest... Patience is good to all those who wait
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| diarmuidlynch wrote: |
| Going on last 3 years, and looks like a repeat this year. Never book anything till mid January |
Finally somebody with sense on Snowheads
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Poster: A snowHead
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| OliC wrote: |
| diarmuidlynch wrote: |
| Going on last 3 years, and looks like a repeat this year. Never book anything till mid January |
Finally somebody with sense on Snowheads |
Unfortunately those whose partners work in education don't have that luxury
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Or those who work in Education. Off to Schladming between 17th and 24th Dec. Keeping everything crossed.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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French resorts struggling to run any snowmaking for the last 3 days due to the temperature inversion
at low lying alpe d'Huez (1850m) the temperature hasn't dipped below freezing at resort level since the start of the month.
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| Going on last 3 years, and looks like a repeat this year. Never book anything till mid January |
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| Finally somebody with sense on Snowheads. |
Using that ludicrous logic, can you explain why my early season trips to places like Tignes, Val D, Val T - plus the likes of Flachau, Obertauern and Garmisch - over the past 20-odd years have been so fantastic? We've skied powder a fair few times from early to mid-December.
It's just total nonsense to make such a sweeping statement.
You wouldn't by any chance be one of the 'Will there be snow after 1st March?' brigade would you  ??
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And yet there is skiing in all the resorts in the Zillertal today. Not fully open but there is skiing.
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Been doing monterosa in january for 8 years now and this year looks better than the prevoius ones, not got there yet but webcam looks great, did a xmas 10 years ago in val de fassa and it was terrible, andorra in 1981 was appalling...... climate change always works in cycles... depends how long the change in the cycle is...all you can do is just pray to the snow gods or do the snow dance.. or go more than once a year to different resorts..😜😜
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I reckon OliC is sitting there now in his crevasse with a big smile on his face, thinking "Gotcha!".
There is either snow there, or there isn't
Chat here will make no difference
You can see for yourself on the webcams
Join in the game if you wish . . .
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@Jonpim, you are probably right 
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| Jellybeans1000 wrote: |
| Whitegold wrote: |
The European Alps are melting and drying due to global warming.
Anyone with a business or property below 1800-2000m needs to think carefully about the future. |
Anyone who calls it global warming is ill-informed. It's climate change and it's not all bad news for snow @Whitegold Be thankful for the snow we do have... |
The globe is warming, son.
Global warming.
Snowfall in the Alps has declined 10-30% over the past 4 decades.
The permanent snowline is rising, glaciers are melting, and ski seasons are shortening.
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| davidof wrote: |
at low lying alpe d'Huez (1850m) the temperature hasn't dipped below freezing at resort level since the start of the month. |
What? Two whole days !!
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