 Poster: A snowHead
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Hi, I have a little question,
When learning your first tricks on skis, what shall you try first a 360 or 180? ( straight airs I can do)
At first I thought 180 but I heard someone saying that it's easier to do first a 360..
Thanks for the reply!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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should you*
A 360 first*
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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A 180 is easier to do but then you are going backwards which is probably why they said a 360 is easier but when you are just learning you should be doing them at very low speed or even static, There's not really much difference between the two all you do is spin with a bit more force to get the 360.
Static 180's are easy peasy and you will be doing them after 30mins in your garden!
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From a boarders pov a 360 is easier in theory as you take off and land with the same foot forward but in reality, due to the dynamics 180s are easier. I'm sure a skier will come along to advise better.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I would have thought one should start off with a 90.
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Start with a switch 180 (ie starting off backwards, landing going the normal way). Progress from flat to slope to jump doing this. Once you are comfy landing then man-up and have a go at full 360!
Tip, turn with your head, not your arms. And don't lean back as you take off.
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@geeo isn't it harder when u are going slow? And Thanks for the tip!
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@gilo would it help if ur holding your arms in a T-shape while turning?
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Turn your dins down a tad.
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@elklndr, if you get it wrong then it's a harder landing if you're not going slow
I'm hoping to move towards doing more switch and trying 180s next season and was planning to start by taking off backwards...although I may change my mind when I first try it. I assume that a 360 is more difficult simply because you need the extra hang time so have to start out on a bigger jump..but at least the landing should be easier.
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@SnoodyMcFlude, haha indeed, improving switch would be a great idea maybe. Good luck to you also!
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@elklndr, you'll turn more slowly but be better balanced with your arms out. Try it now in normal clothes, big wind up and fling the arms..... You'll make about 180-270 degrees. Keep arms in, jump up and look around over your shoulder and you should make the full 360........ In theory
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First rule of learning a new move is . . . a mate with a GoPro . . . 
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You know it makes sense.
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@geeo isn't it harder when u are going slow? And Thanks for the tip!
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You need to rotate slightly more but you don't need to ski it out and landing backwards while moving takes a little practice and more balance so it evens it out, If you are able to try them on a slope somewhere just now then go for it, i just assumed you wont be skiing till winter and if you have your own kit and outside space there's no point waiting for the snow you will be much more comfortable when it does arrive if you get the jump and rotation sorted now.
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@gilo, thanks, i'll definitly try it out!
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Poster: A snowHead
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@geeo, I go often indoor-skiing/boarding so then I can try doing 180s and 360s. A big thanks for your tip, i really helps me to get a better view 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Masque, so they can film you crashing down ? Haha
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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You should start with a regular 180.
Once you feel comfortable skiing switch landing backwards is not all that difficult.
Work out which direction feels most natural to spin.
One thing that will really help is making sure you "pop" before you initiate your rotation.
This will make sure you stay on the right axis and land balanced.
One thing I find helps when spinning off jumps is the UP - CHUCK - LOOK formula.
UP (pop like you would on a trampoline just before the lip of the jump)
CHUCK ( Use your arms to initiate the rotation)
LOOK (Where you look will help bring the rotation round - keep your eye line horizontal rather than looking into the sky and landing on your back)
A 360 is the same process just needs more commitment and a faster rotation.
Land - and wait for the girls queuing to buy you drink at the bar 
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@willski17, thanks for the tips!! I'm going to try that out, but in fact I'm a girl haha
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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My final piece of advice is to learn to snowboard, all this looks so much better on a snowboard!
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@SnoodyMcFlude, true but then flat bits and lifts are for skiers...
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Flat bit + 360 = Ski Ballet,
and you're VERY welcome to THAT!
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@Gainz, hahah i snowboard too (but only since 1year) ill still try it tho  but i don't know if you can be good at freestyle if you do both (skiing and boarding)...
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I am 56 ... is it unwise for me to attempt to learn to 360 at my age......?
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Not at all, as long as you are fit enough to jump up and do a spin you can manage a 360
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| FoofyNoo wrote: |
| I am 56 ... is it unwise for me to attempt to learn to 360 at my age......? |
Depends on how well you handle crashes. When learning, landing wrong is part of the deal. (assuming you've been jumping straight already)
OK, I tried them when I was in my 30's (I was always mentally "immature", so I felt like a 20 something at the time). The doing part was fun. And I handled bad landing reasonably well too. But once in a while, I'd had a landing that was hard on my knees. After a few of those, I decided the risk was a bit too high and gave up.
If you're fit, you can handle more of those imperfect landing much better. Give it a try and see how you like it.
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You know it makes sense.
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| FoofyNoo wrote: |
| I am 56 ... is it unwise for me to attempt to learn to 360 at my age......? |
A personal choice. In my view it isn't.
I reckon you have two choices:
(a) You can do nothing so you don't break anything.
(b) You can do something. In the worst case you may hurt yourself. In the worst case of that, maybe then you will do nothing.
Those are both bad outcomes, but (b) is not significantly worse than (a) and almost always you'll get better results with (b), and have fun doing it.
What I would not do is play 13-year-old kid aerial ballet ("freestyle") inverted over ice. No one's watching, but it looks bad and it's asking for trouble. Find some powder, meet a better class of people, and have it all.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| FoofyNoo wrote: |
| I am 56 ... is it unwise for me to attempt to learn to 360 at my age......? |
I am 35... I'm not risking it!
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Poster: A snowHead
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One thing that will really help is making sure you "pop" before you initiate your rotation.
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I don't understand the physics of that. what do you turn against to rotate if you are already off the ground? I think you have to initiate the spin while your skis are in contact. No? Quite a lot of the youtube vids with tips show the skier moving to a wide stance prior to pop to provide the strongest base to torque against
Caveat - I've never succeeded in get round 360 degrees on skis although I can manage it jumping off a step. I'm asking out of interest not expertise!
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| jedster wrote: |
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One thing that will really help is making sure you "pop" before you initiate your rotation.
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I don't understand the physics of that. what do you turn against to rotate if you are already off the ground? I think you have to initiate the spin while your skis are in contact. No? |
The physics is indeed a bit challenging to understand.
There're two components of movement, one to do with the whole body, the other the relative parts of the body (arms, legs, torso). The two movements are pretty independent of each other (even though they happen in the same time).
The "pop" is to project the whole body on a particular trajectory. If you pop forward, your body's center of mass goes forward. If you pop slightly to the side in the hope of leveraging that for a spin, the body's center of mass will go... to the side instead! 
While most don't jump on skis, just about everybody jump from the ground as a kid, high jump/long jump, gymnastic, playing basketball, volleyball, even football... You probably remember how you jump?
The part of where the spin comes from while in mid-air is always a bit hard to understand. It's the arms and legs working against each other, all the while the body's center of mass kept on going in a straight line.
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