 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Try all the freestyle skis you can, good sidecut, good flex pattern. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, Confusion starts when I look at ski tests - say Ski & Board - Is the category 'Freestyle' the same as 'Freeride'?
I just want a want to try put together a shortlist of skis to test, say eight to ten tops and have been trolling through the 'search' facility here to try to put one together. So far;
Rossignol Bandit B3
Volkl Supersport Allstar (Rave reviews but little user feedback)
Volkl Unlimited
Dynastar Legend 8000
Any others ?
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Probably worth trying one of the Head Monsters (take your pick on width) as all reports (and personal experience) suggest the edge hold/ice handling is excellent which has to be a consideration in the Alps
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I have bought some Volkl Unlimited AC4s this season and found them excellent in conditions ranging from beautifully grommed pistes to icy moguls to knee deep powder. I also tried the Dynastar Legend 8000s but really struggled on them. This may be more a reflection on my skiing than the quality of the ski though. Until this season I had snowboarded for the last 10 years but reverted back to skiing this year.
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Atomic Metrons. They go anywhere. The B5's will be too stiff, and probably the M11's as well, but if you have the chance of trying the 10s or 9s, then take it!
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Bernard Condon, 'Freestyle' to me reads more like:
Volkl Dogen/Karma
Rossi Scratch
Stockli Snake
Thruster/ Gun
Line Mothership, (old) K-Jak, Agent
Stomp/Sweet Daddy
Blizzard Titan
Trouble Maker
Public Enemy
Mojo 80/90
Scott P3
Zag FR Big
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| RobW wrote: |
| Atomic Metrons. They go anywhere. The B5's will be too stiff, and probably the M11's as well.... |
Sorry Rob but I disagree. An M11 in 172 is certainly not too stiff for someone of BC's stated ability & build - & a b5 in 162 is only slightly stiffer although less forgiving. I'd recommend adding them both to your test list along with the Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous & Top fuel models.
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Thanks everyone - but please keep the feedback coming! After a frustrating day, I feel I am finally getting somewhere. 
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fischer rx 8 all round ski
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Bernard Condon,
The XL will have great bite on edge and track through chopped up stuff very well. In deeper stuff you will need to balance yourself well to stop a dive but for a 50/50 will be v tough to beat. If you want more float then the 8000 is a great ski but can't live with the XL for edge hold. Other than that I would look at the AC3 for XL characteristics.
I'll post a review of the XL, 8000 and Stockli Snake as soon as I can
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Bernard Condon, Scott Santiago Mission. Went touring t'other day on a pair. Very nice all mountian ski for the right skier. Will be posting a review soon...
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parlor, Yummmmmm, Scott P4, K2 Pontoon, Dynastar Pro Rider XXL, Nordica Supercharger(Blaster).
Off subject, sorry.
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You know it makes sense.
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My new Dynastar Legend 4800s are the dog's whatsits. Try some.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I'll second the last comment about 4800s
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Poster: A snowHead
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1080 foils?
I like them and not too dear.
PS Line skis seem not to exist and be a figment of somebodies imagination
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Line skis are awesome skis as are 4frnts.
Foils are on the widish side for piste imo, and the cores aren't wood.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Line do exist, this year they have had a few troubles getting them released. only got released in uk this year on Friday so could be why you havent seen them, that and the fact that EB dont sell them.
Line chronic is a definite all mountain ski, wood core, 80mm under foot, true twin and pretty stiff. Plus can pick them up cheap if you know where to look,
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The 1080 foils are supposed to be good off piste, are stockli Stormriders too fat for the job. ac4 unlimited are pretty expensive compared with b3s I think.
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edsilva, could be mine. 130mm underfoot of imagination. Where's my pipe?
SMALLZOOKEEPER, can you bring some snow with you on Friday please?
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parlor, surprised you haven't already graduated from the Prophets to the Capital Funkenstein - 160mm underfoot, I believe!
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160 underfoot. Summer and winter ski eh. Thats wide enough to water ski with.
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| comprex wrote: |
Bernard Condon, 'Freestyle' to me reads more like:
Volkl Dogen/Karma
Rossi Scratch
Stockli Snake
Thruster/ Gun
Line Mothership, (old) K-Jak, Agent
Stomp/Sweet Daddy
Blizzard Titan
Trouble Maker
Public Enemy
Mojo 80/90
Scott P3
Zag FR Big |
Has anybody tried Public Enemy skis? I had a go on a hired pair. Not much side cut, but they seemed OK on gentle-ish slope. On steep and near icy though (top of La Fee at LDA, if you know it) I would have been a Public Liability if anybody had been in the way. Fortunately, I did not let loose until I had a totally clear piste. I could not control the speed much, and had to throw in turn after turn, until the piste flattened out some and I was able to run out and slow down. Quite an experience. I went down the mountain immediately, and swapped back to good old dependable B2s.
I must say that the skis were a bit long (179) - and I am full prepared to believe I wasn't skier enough for the skis. The graphics weren't quite me either 
For the remainder of the holiday, 174 B2s were fine.
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Bernard Condon, hubby skis on an old pair of Bandit XX's but tried out some Scott Aztec Pro's in LDA , he thought they were great.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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zammo, hah, their skinniest ski is 92 at the waist!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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 When you change edges do you have to shout "TIMBER"?
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Bernard Condon, As you're in BSM you should definitely try some Zags - they're made there. I have the Rouge (new this year) most "pisty" than their other models, and I think they're great!!!
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You know it makes sense.
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No-one has mentioned Salomon ski's. I've had a pair of x-screams for 5 seasons, they are pretty good but chatter at high speed.
Are they old hat now?
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Jack Hallam,
Pretty much..!! They still have a few fans amongst skidder type - thats no bad thing, by the way - and a couple of my friends still swear by them... Off-piste they will do ok but will be totally outclassed by the XL's, for example, on piste. But then I'd say that the XL has a pretty good impression of a dedicated slalom/GS ski. I rate the edge hold on hardpack of the XL just shy of the Stockli SC and SL skis so are out front amongst most of this bunch.
My opinion is that there are plenty better skis now. In their day we loved them but 5 years on is a long time in ski design.
As always, its where you prefer to ski. If you want more float in chopped/soft snow against good edge then pick something like an 8000 which is also handy in moguls.
If you want even more float go wider but expect to have to make a compromise somewhere. Its a question of how much can you live with the downside of the ski in the conditions you want to ski it some of the time....
Its forever been that way...which is why we get so many of these type threads.... noone has cracked it yet IMV
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Thu 2-02-06 21:16; edited 2 times in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I can't vouch for the Prophet 80 or 100, they look good on paper but that's all I know.
The Prophet 130s are awesome. Shame it's so soft, I'd use it for more than just a powder ski.
The Prophet 100s have stingers down them so they should be much stiffer, I think that would be a great ski.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Dont buy skis from China on ebay, they are all scams. Nothing to do with the factory being there, they are cloned ads!
[/quote]However ..it was still impossible to get a pair of Prophet 80s in time for January but I'm not sure I want to buy things made in a tyrannical country with a horrid human rights record
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parlor, i have the old Assassin MTX Pro at 80mm which is basically the Prophet 80 with a different graphic (I think). They're really quite stiff because of the titanium on them and need to be skied pretty hard to deliver. With a bit of agression they really rock.
Personally, I'm lazy, so I prefer by Motherships, even on piste.
Oh, and edsilva, the reactors DO exist. They get a pretty bad rap from lots of people but mine have been fine, i.e. released when required and stayed solid when necessary. That said, they do weigh about 33 million tonnnes
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Hmmm, freeride skis. Nordica Hot Rod Eliminator, Bandit B2, Volkl Karma, AC3, AC4, K2 Recon, Outlaw or Seth, Dynastar Legend 8000, Head Mojo 80 or Monster 77, Scott Aztec Pro or Santiago Mission, Stockli Stormrider XL... So many skis, so little time.
Reactors? Think they don't exist now, even if they did last year.
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fallliner, how do you get to have 'Seth' in the same sentance as B2?
Reactors have been discontinued. Line will refund the cost of the bindings if you did buy them. Some of their current skis are being made without plates for Reactor bindings. It would be nice if they continue the research, it's a great concept.
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Edmundh009, [ski pedant] the Karma is stiffer than the PEs, which you thought might be stiff for the powder ("pretty stiff which makes me think they would be difficult off-piste"), yet describe the Karma as a good powder specialist. [/ski pedant]
FWIW I like a stiff ski when skiing powder. Wish my powder skis were stiffer then I could ski them more often... 
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Y'all.
Was in Saalbach-Hinterglemm over New Year - the snow was awesome - fresh deep powder ...
We hired out some Salomon Pocket Rockets for a day and did the whole day full-on from the very first lift right to the end - thought my legs were gonna drop off by the end.
I found the Rockets awesome - floated well in deep snow and they carved really well on-piste which surprised me!
We had em in length 165 - reckon next time I'd go for 175.
I'm not sure if Salomon do the Pocket rockets anymore - can't see em on their website - does anyone know? (altho I see em for sale elsewhere on the web)
I've also no idea how they compare to any of these other skis mentioned here - its quite a number & I don't have much experience with powder skis - my normal skis are the Fischer World cup slalom Carvers which are great but very stiff & I don't feel so comfortable on them off-piste.
Anyone have anything to say on that?
The guy in the shop in Saalbach also recommended the Atomic Metrons but we didnt get a chance to try em ...
Best
Steve
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I think the 1080 gun is the replacement for the pocket rocket with a 90mm waist under foot.
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FAQ
's I am looking for a really good 'All-mountain' ski to replace some damaged B2's (last seasons) I was quite pleased with them, but I am lacking in knowledge of what's out there this year - models changing etc. B2 has changed and I am wondering,
) I want to ski about 50% on piste & 50% off piste.
Guys go on at the rep asking if they can get any ski they want, she replies yes, they respond with, wait for it. "I want some B2 Bandits. "Ohhh are those the cool new blue ones, I'l have some of them too" 