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Speeding in France

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This just popped up on my FB... you will now get done driving a UK plated car.

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Shocked Is it just a fine or do you get points too?

Either way it takes the fun out of driving abroad.
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You got notified via Facebook ? Or do you mean someone else you know did ?
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Why would they send this to a FaceBook account? Why not to the legal address of the registered keeper? There's no connection between DVLA and FB. This isn't real.
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The person who received it posted it to FB, I also saw it.
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I must admit I think it doesn't look right, highly unusual that most of that photo appears to be in English.
My French speeding fines driving a Swiss registered car have all been in French with nothing translated - which I believe is French Government Policy for all official documents.
However, the website for paying the fine comes with six language options!
https://www.antai.gouv.fr/comment-payer?lang=en

It would be interesting to see the rest of that document, as French Law fines the vehicle owner. English law fines the driver therefore there should be the facility to send the fine to someone else.
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You can designate another driver or contest the fine by clicking the link on the site, which takes you here:
https://www.antai.gouv.fr/comment-contester?lang=en
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@WindOfChange, ah, maybe that allows the French to send the fine to UK citizens.
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@boredsurfin, I imagine it makes it much easier for car hire companies and means they can earn their €50.00 "admin" fee with 1 mouse click, and pasting your address from their file.
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My French speeding fines driving a Swiss registered car have all been in French with nothing translated

Not that long ago France did not have an agreement to collect speeding fines in Switzerland and all the Swiss cars used to speed with impunity (once reason for renting a car from the Swiss side of Geneva airport). The UK resisted collecting foreign fines for a long time, or giving out driver details to foreign countries. IIRC the Italians got around this restriction by employing UK dept collecting agencies to access the DVLA database and collect the fines. The demands would come in English. The DVLA now cooperates with our neighbours.

I'm not sure what the consequences of not paying the fine are, but then French speeding fines are quite modest compared to UK ones, you don't (AFAIK) get points on your licence and your car insurance is not increased.

While desperately trying to figure out why anyone would want to leave the EU one of the few advantages I could see would be the ability to speed across Europe and not get fined and of course to flee the UK after a crime and avoid a European arrest warrent.
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They have been able to send speeding tickets to the UK for many years.
After a trip through france in about 1990, a friend had a speeding ticket waiting for him on the doormat at home - whoops my bad going through Lyon late at night on the way down - but they had no means of enforcing across boarders and as he had no immediate plans to return to france he binned it & heard no more.
Is their reach a bit longer these days?
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AFAIAA, you can only be summonsed by an overseas nation for arrest-able offences.
Speeding (by a small amount) is not an arrest-able offence, so it's up to you if you pay.
But if you do not, be wary as the information might be held on some system and they'll get you next time.

I am slightly (30%) concerned that I might get a French ban, or at least some retrospective points.
I applied to swap my Uk license for a French one back in January. ( Project no-deal suggests that I might need to do my tests again in France if I wait until April).
I have heard nothing back, so read a few forums about the process.
The process used to be done in the local Prefecture, but it has now been centralised in Nantes and is a bit of a poo show.
Along with the many posts saying it can take up to 16 weeks just to get an acknowledgement, and 9 -10 months before the whole thing is done, there are some saying that I will get endorsements for offences which I have committed previously in France that can be linked to me.
I have been here for 15 years, so the 12 points I would have racked up is not that much when annualised.
I am hoping that if they do apply points retrospectively, then it's from the date of the offence, so that I will have a pretty clean bill of health.
I guess I will find out in October Smile
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In Holland we always get tickets from the Neighbours ..there delivered personally by our Dutch Police..sometimes 18-24months after

High Speeding in Belgium is a Fine and a ban from driving on any Snelweg (Motorway) in Belgium for 3-6 months and they normallyvspecifyvduring the Summer period..

Moral is...

Do you speed in your home country?
Why speed in others !

NB. I do not drive
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Speeding (and red-light jumping) is just an occupational hazard in NL. They make it seamless to cough up, both for Dutch residents and those of neighbouring countries (and SEPA made it even easier still).

That French one suggested fake to me. I certainly have heard of people getting speeding/parking tickets from abroad from scammers, quite possibly due to UK's relatively lax regulations about making the entire DVLA database available to anyone who says "I am a parking scum company".
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Someone has forgot they drive a taxi
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@stanton, Most of my points are not for speeding.
6 are for jumping "dark orange" lights, and 3 for crossing a solid line on an overtake and then being chased by the Gendarmes for 2 KM until they caught me Smile
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@JonA, Crikey, I'm getting old
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@stanton, not sure how you manage to earn a living as a taxi driver if you do not drive?

Whether holders of UK driving licences can have driving and parking offences committed outside of the UK enforced against them is a complex subject. The basic issue is that the way the UK enforces these things is different to most other countries ie there is effectively a presumption of guilt rather than a requirement to prove who was driving. This means that many countries will not enforce UK penalties against their citizens so the UK will not reciprocate. This was all supposed to have been sorted with the usual EU agreement but the UK was very reluctant to sign up fully and then came the referendum..... So in some places, I believe this remains the case in Switzerland and Austria (but maybe wrong), speeding tickets can not be enforced against UK licence holders, though of course the hire companies can charge for passing on your details. In other places the fine is a civil debt which can then be sold to a debt recovery company who can enforce the debt in the UK (believe this is the case in Germany and Italy). Of course this is all up in the air post 29th of March too.

In most countries, eg the Netherlands & Belgium example Stanton has given this simply is not an issue as the various driving offences are simply mutually enforced.
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One simple answer to this is not to speed, and then you won't be fined.
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@Hells Bells,
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One simple answer to this is not to speed,

Sorry, don't understand your banter! Laughing
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Those French tickets make it back to the States eventually, too. Mine was in French. Ditto Austria, in German. I guess those "consequences" I told my kids about apply to me as well.
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It’s e45 and no points. I just pay them all, and always have. My lack of observation of the limit signs, my responsibility for the consequences.

As one of my friends once said “it’s like a special tax for driving fast in France”.

I don’t pay much tax here, so it’s almost like a voluntary contribution to the state Happy
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Hells Bells wrote:
One simple answer to this is not to speed, and then you won't be fined.
I was typing the same reply. I can sleep soundly.
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Confirmation of genuineness..... I saw the camera flash me in Besancon on the 10th en route to La Plagne, the ticket arrived at home two days after I got home again, last Weds. Sad 45 Euros for prompt payment. Can they do anything if its ignored?? Dunno, and for the sake of 45Eu, I'm not going to put it to the test!
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Hells Bells wrote:
One simple answer to this is not to speed, and then you won't be fined.

+1
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After 29th March

If ypu do not pay fines if caught in a Rental Car ..expect to be blaclisted..

Own vehicles likely to be on the spot if tracked or leaving schengen .
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I got the £25 admin fee from the rental company for passing on my info, I was never so glad to pay 45 euro ever, have you seen Swiss fines!!!!
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I drive a venerable VW camper van , if I managed to get a speeding ticket it would be framed and hung on the wall.
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Given the gillets jaune seemto have spray painted most cameras, chances of getting caught slim.

And yes I speed in my home country Toofy Grin
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prometheus wrote:
I drive a venerable VW camper van , if I managed to get a speeding ticket it would be framed and hung on the wall.


Wink
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Is that another of Trump's election 'promises' ? Very Happy Very Happy
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One of the restaurateurs in Grand Massif had such tickets posted up in the restaurant of their speeding misdemeanours.

One of them in a Citroën SM no less. What style Very Happy
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Some of the posts here are, in my eyes, getting uncomfortably close to bragging about speeding and getting speeding tickets.

Even if it is "just banter", it's not something that I would choose to boast about given the number of fatalities and injuries where speeding is a factor.

If I ever received a speeding ticket, in my home country or elsewhere, I would be very embarrassed. Even more so if I was knowingly over the speed limit (rather than a genuine mistake). Whether or not I had to pay would not be the first thing on my mind.
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I just got my first speeding ticket aged 40. Agree with denfinella, it means I'm a bit more of a dick than I thought I was. Embarrassing.
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@denfinella, there's speeding and inappropriate speeding. I will never break the limit in 30 limits. Or 40 come to it. 50 limits, sometimes, like the A422 between Brackley and Banbury which has been 60 for a zillion years until they introduced a 50 limit a year or so back.

On the M40 last night then yes I'll happily admit to cruising at 80, traffic was light, roads were dry, know the road well.
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Was flashed in France and Swiss (Vaud) last summer in my own car and never received the fines nor was I arrested at the Swiss border on. Y next visit as some would like to think. Was doing 90 in a 80 and 130 in a 120 respectively. Not too fast but the French one I was a numpty as I missed the very large warning sign and unlucky as it was probably the only camera in the country that had not been vandalised. My view is it’s okay to speed, just a bit to ensure flowing drive, but pay if you get a fine - not worth the stress.
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@denfinella, In just under 40 years of driving, 30k miles a year average, UK and europe, I do not know how many speeding fines I have had, but certainly into double figures. In that time I have never had an accident, neither with a moving or inanimate object. Bad driving causes fatalities and injuries, the speed involved in the bad driving might move the accident up the scale of severity, but the bad driving is the root cause. I am not particularly embarrassed about receiving the tickets, annoyed about being caught and not blaming anyone but myself. I happened to be paying more attention to real physical hazards than looking out for the myriad of signs indicating what really are notional speed limits, and the cameras that go with them. (None of the fines were for excessive speed, just marginally not complying, at that moment in time)
I think sometimes some of the "all speed is dangerous" brigade perhaps need to think that the logical conclusion of that is that not moving at all would be the safest option. Well it might be, but we would all starve rolling eyes
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@martinm, its not, because there's only one and its going into the bin. If you were correct there would be many and they'd be tossed out the window of a Humvee barreling through a nature preserve, and then denied. Toofy Grin
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As Mr Clarkson pointed out - speed doesn't kill, it's the sudden de-acceleration which does that

Driving at 50 past a school at 3:20pm is stupid in extreme, driving at 85 at 3:20am on motorway is not IMHO the worst crime out
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