How come the lift was allowed to carry on with him going back down the hill?
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we don't know from that how far back down the hill he went... it could have been a matter of 10 feet for all we know. doesn't take long for a chair to travel that distance and be over a big drop again.
My nephew is in Chatel with a school trip, but no news from him since before the accident. There is a 14 yr old with the relevant name on his trip; whichever school it is, what a horrible thing to happen. According to the Dauphiné there is a rocky overhang at the arrival station. The lift people stopped it as soon as they saw a problem.
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but why didn't they stop it when they saw he wasn't getting off? i always assumed that if i didn't manage to get off the chair (for whatever reason) that the liftie would stop it and help/give me an earful for not getting off.
only take a couple of seconds for the lad to end up on the other side.
it's not difficult for the liftie to take a good few seconds to realise what's happened and hit the button.
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Dauphiné is also reporting that he was trapped on the chair by his rucksack.
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you have to feel sorry for him - he probably thought 'right well i'll jump off here before it gets any further...' and then he was stuck.
reinforces those signs about taking rucksacks off i guess.
that is a crazy video! i know quite a few lifts where if u got hooked like that it wouldnt take 3 seconds for u to be in some trouble from rocks below!
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you have to feel sorry for him - he probably thought 'right well i'll jump off here before it gets any further...' and then he was stuck.
reinforces those signs about taking rucksacks off i guess.
we never take our rucksack off. its far too dangerous having it on your knee and then infront of you when you get off. we make sure all the loose straps are tied off and I am in the habit of leaning forward a bit when i get near to the top to make sure I can move and am not trapped. modern chairs are ok but its the old slatted ones you have to be careful of.
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story is confusing and inconsistent (unless i am reading it wrong)..
at the beginiing they say "He was later cut free "
then they say "remained on the lift as it went back down the mountain. Moments later he fell towards the piste."
so if he fell off why did he need to be cut free ?
also I am susprised that if he did fall that he fell so far as usually the bar thingy that stops the lift is close to the top and if you do fall its not far. obviously all manner of circumstances coudl have contributed to the accident and I suspect the newspaper report is not entirely accurate. hope he recovers soon.
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its far too dangerous having it on your knee and then infront of you when you get off.
How? Yours is full of rabid otters?
The only inconvenience with putting a pack on your knees IMO is the nervous ninny/ ignorant inconsiderate chairmates who slam the bar down before you've even positioned it.
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backhojo wrote:
its far too dangerous having it on your knee and then infront of you when you get off.
How? Yours is full of rabid otters?
The only inconvenience with putting a pack on your knees IMO is the nervous ninny/ ignorant inconsiderate chairmates who slam the bar down before you've even positioned it.
I am not very tall and I find it obscures my vision when getting off the chair and I find it uncomfortable. its not a big pack and only has a few extra clothes and my goggles/hip flask in it. doesnt cause any issue wearing it on my back and in 13 years of skiing only been asked twice by lifty to put it on the front.
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I leave my bag on and not had any problems but I know it could as two of my friends have got caught. It was pretty funny then though. What I don't get is, how come he didn't hit any sort of emergency trip thing. I thought they all had those thin horizontal poles that automatically stop the lift if anything hits them.
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fatbob, you mean you don't routinely take rabid otters with you on the hill? That's just so irresponsible.
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backhojo wrote:
I am not very tall and I find it obscures my vision when getting off the chair and I find it uncomfortable. its not a big pack and only has a few extra clothes and my goggles/hip flask in it. doesnt cause any issue wearing it on my back and in 13 years of skiing only been asked twice by lifty to put it on the front.
Weak excuse from the "I cannot be bothered" category.
I keep mine on my back, everything done up ever since the time I took it off and got one of the buckles cought in the seat slats between my legs . Have been hooked up once whilst wearing it on a t-bar, just had to make sure Mounta1Goat got off first so that I could rotate out of it. Last week got one of the toggles on my glove caught on a chair lift bar, amusing second or too with my arm in the air till I worked out what was going on, perhaps we should take our gloves off too
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I am an ordinary size person with an ordinary size backpack (2 cheese sandwiches and a bottle of beer; no otters). I'm trying to imagine where it would have to be to obscure my vision when I am up on my feet, getting off a chairlift.
I am not very tall and I find it obscures my vision when getting off the chair and I find it uncomfortable. its not a big pack and only has a few extra clothes and my goggles/hip flask in it. doesnt cause any issue wearing it on my back and in 13 years of skiing only been asked twice by lifty to put it on the front.
Weak excuse from the "I cannot be bothered" category.
Packs are demonstrably dangerous (see above).
perfectly reasonable reason not excuse. and there is , or course, an element of cant be bothered. its such a faff undoing the chest strap and waist strap (often have to take my gloves off to do these due to fiddly clasps). perhaps you woudl like to wait behind me in the queue whilst I do this ?
I am wondering if you could produce the stats that show they are "demonstrably dangerous" - the number of "people stuck on a lift due to a rucksack as a % of the number of ski lift journeys per annum" stats. as they say "one swallow doesnt make a summer" and a couple of incidents with rucksacks doesnt mean they are dangerous - perhaps the user is at fault rather than the equipment !!
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backhojo wrote:
a couple of incidents with rucksacks doesnt mean they are dangerous
Everything's dangerous. People die in their bed!
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maggi, Indeed. C'mon people... you can't avoid every little possible risk. Actually that's not true, you could. Just stay home and don't go skiing.
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maggi, Indeed. C'mon people... you can't avoid every little possible risk. Actually that's not true, you could. Just stay home and don't go skiing.
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On second thought, the lift queues might get shorter
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I just don't understand why people need bags...
And I ski with my kiddie-winkle too.... and we both don't need them!... Goggles can be kept on helmet or in those funny little zippy-uppy things scattered all over your jacket... there is one of them for everything now!
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flangesax, Mine's a back protector and camelback. It even has a little bit of space ready for a shovel and probe if I ever decide to be that brave
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flangesax, I don't always ski with my bag but surely you can understand
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flangesax wrote:
I just don't understand why people need bags...
And I ski with my kiddie-winkle too....
Extra clothes. And of course, younger kiddie winkle's favourite teddy!
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flangesax wrote:
I just don't understand why people need bags...
Curly cable board lock, water, choc bars, tissues, other goggle lenses, sunglasses, phone, smokes, spare thin fleece, woolly hat, wallet.
You could fit it all in your pockets (perhaps not the board lock) but your coat and trousers would be uncomfortable and you would need to unload your pockets to do up your snowboard bindings. I suspect that skiing with kids, you would be less likely to plan a whole day out, wanting to be sure you had everything.
A rucksack also acts as a personal airbag should you wipe out.
I have never taken mine off when using a lift.
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For anyone that was reading this earlier - the thread was continued in Apres as 'backpacks on chairlifts' but to let you know that sadly the boy concerned died today.
He was 14, called Kieran, and on a Feb half term school ski trip (from my son's school- Torquay Boys Grammar). It is thought the waist strap from his backpack got caught in the back of the chair lift and he was dragged back off as it descended and he was 'strangled' by the backpack and his clothes riding back up as he was suspended.
It took a while for him to be cut down and he was at first in a coma in a French hospital then came back to a local hospital last week, but sadly died this morning.
The French police are undertaking 'a serious and lengthy investigation'.
Tragedy for the parents and many of us from the school are quite devastated by the news - even though we had not expected a good outcome.
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What very sad news.....thoughts go out the family
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Very sad, and my thoughts will be with his family and friends.
Maybe this is the wrong time and place to ask this, but why did it take so long to free him? Surely they could just have reversed the chairlift and cut him down with a knife?
Very sad indeed, can only assume that the lift operator failed to spot him, only chairlifts I've ever seen similar things happen on the operator has been very quick to reverse the lift, usually before the person has even gone fully around the wheel at the top
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How terribly sad. The French authorities are going to investigate; I don't think we should attempt to do so.
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. Have been hooked up once whilst wearing it on a t-bar, just had to make sure 
