 Poster: A snowHead
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Hi Guys,
First time posting so apologies if this is in the wrong section. Loving the forum for all the useful info I've read over the last couple days!
I guess I'm looking to confirm that I've been a bit of a fool and been seduced by the wrong boots. I've just bought some Salomon x max 100's, size 28 and I seem to have hit a snag.
The boots were pretty snug in store, but not painfully so and and this was the fit I thought was required after reading about packing out and what not. Between my own research and the fitter advising it was fine I pushed aside my doubts and plowed ahead full speed, being somewhat existed to get my own boots.
Any how after wearing around the house in them I've started to notice that after 5-10 minutes my feet start to feel weird, (not quite pins and needles) and then go number, there's no pain but I can't imagine a situation where my feet lose feeling is a good thing!
I bought them in store and had them fitted, heat molded both the shell and the liner. When it's just my foot in the shell there's plenty of room, good 1cm-1.5cm space at the back with my toes forward. Just wearing the liner it feels a quite snug on it's own.
I did notice that the outside edge of my feet was a tad red suggesting pressure, I measured the widest area of my foot bare and it came to 98mm, with the liner it shoots up to 106mm which i believe is beyond the boots limits. Would I be right in thinking I've bought a boot that's too narrow?
Cheers!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Did you keep the boots on when you left the shop?
I'm sure its a dastardly trick that boot salesmen do ... swop the ones that fit for another pair.
I sympathise ... I've been had several times.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Wish I had, though I didn't want to scratch them, they were... precious to me! How did you solve the issue, new boots?
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did the fiiter advised on how to fasten your boots? I was explained that the second horizontal piece should be fastened very ligtly, until first ligt preassure. Because that is where the artery is and if you overfasten, you disrupt the blood flow
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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You just buy another new pair.
I had to give up on a new pair of boots that were spoiling my hols.
I treated myself to a a pair of Nordicas that seemed to fit fine for a couple of hours in the Hemmel Shop.
They had a three buckle system, and they were ok for about 2 hours but after that my left foot would start screaming at me...
I'd have to rest up in Mountain Hostilary somewhere up the Selva Ronda, but then when I let the left foot out of the boot the right foot would start to sulk.
Anyway ... it came to a head on the PSB 2013 ... Instead of pizza that night I got some Boots cooked.
And I walked out of the shop with them on!
That will teach me to buy boots in a crappy colour.
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That's exactly what was happening mooney058 ... it was cutting off some supply.
I became worried when the pins & needles lasted more than 3 months.
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There is some pressure in that area, particularly from the liners plastic tongue though i have it on the lightest tightest possible, just enough to keep it water tight. Admittedly I have a very boney foot and you can see my veins and arteries so it probably wouldn't take much pressure to cut it off(not that I'm an expert!)
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Is this your first pair of boots? I confess I wouldn't necessarily throw in the towel on them yet. Where did you buy them? Do they offer any comfort guarantee? Walking about the house in new boots is not the same as skiing. For what it's worth...my uber comfy boots gave me pins and needles when I clumped around the house and for the first couple of hours in an indoor slope. (I have had 3 pairs of boots over the last 10 years). Advice I have stuck with from the professional fitter I have used in France: you need to ski in them for a couple of days, put up with any pain while let the liner packs out a bit, as it really helps you work out where the pressure points are. Then go to a boot shop and get the pressure points tweaked, shell stretched etc. I realise it's a matter of degree, and numb feet isn't exactly fun. Maybe you could get them stretched sideways now...your fitter should be prepared to do that if they are any good.
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Thanks for the responses guys, sounds like I'm better off returning the boot (only been a week) and arranging to visit solutions4feet, I've seen on the forum that they're highly recommended, bit of a trek (South Wales) but sounds like it would be worth it! Does anyone know if you get all the bells and whistles when buying a boot or is there an additional charge? I was looking at Pro feet and the extra £170 would make me cry!
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Perty, did the feeling/ discomfort continue for a while after taking off the boot? You might be right, I'm just hesitant to risk damaging the boots and preventing a return. I got them from Snow and Rock.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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If you are wearing them round the house you are not in a skiing position. When you get into a skiing crouch then your feet pull back in the boot alleviating the pressure on the instep and toes. But be honest... will you be wanting them for general pootling around and sitting in huts or for skiing constantly all day? Give them a week or two's pack down and they may be just fine. Until you ski in them you can't really tell.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You are right ,I should of mentioned that I've been instructed to break them in by adopting the ski position for 20-30 minutes every now and then so I am in the ski position, it's even worse when I'm not! It seems I can either stick with them and hope they get better or throw in the towel early.
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@hawkins461, I can't say they hurt long term after I took mine off, but I agree with Scarpa. Snow and Rock do give you some sort of 90% money back guarantee I think if you take them back. I don't think adopting the skiing position in your living room for 30 mins a day comes even close to packing them out as you would with some proper dynamic skiing.
Two options. You could go back to snow and rock and get them stretched/blown out a bit. Just because they are too tight doesn't mean they aren't the boot for you. Maybe they will go that for no extra charge.
If you really do have funny feet, a specialist boot fitter is the way to go. My own preference has always been to buy in resort-ask who the local instructors go to. Then you get a really professional fit, followed by skiing and adjustment during the week all in one go.
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You know it makes sense.
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@hawkins461, before you go back try a couple of things
1 what thickness of sock are you using? whatever it is try a thinner one (even a pair of pop socks is a a good emergency measure)
2 when you put the boot on clip it up as follows... clip upper two buckles and the powerstrap. get he ankle buckle (2nd from top) as tight as you can without cutting the blood off then re snug the upper buckle and the power strap, now flex a few times THEN clip the bottom 2 clips (these should be finger tight) stand and flex the boot as much as you can but do not sit watching telly or stand straight upright as this will make things worse see if things improve, standing around the house will not do much but if you do it for long enough it will help a little. try with the lower two buckles completely undone as well, you need to find where the constriction is
questions...
do you have a supportive insole in the boot? if so what type?
was there any pressure padding put around your feet when the shell was being moulded to you?
did you stand in a neutral position on a hard surface while the boot cooled?
what size of UK shoe would you normally buy?
hope that helps
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@hawkins461,
CEM will give you the right advice if you answer his questions but I have to say that from your description it sounds like, at most, the shells might need a stretch across the forefoot.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@CEM
Cheers, I'll try that after work and report back, for the questions:
Do you have a supportive insole in the boot? if so what type? I have the standard insoles that came with the boot.
Was there any pressure padding put around your feet when the shell was being moulded to you? I don't know what that is, but they came straight from the oven to my feet and there wasn't any additional steps/ materials.
did you stand in a neutral position on a hard surface while the boot cooled? Yes, I think so. Knees bent etc, standing on the store floor
what size of UK shoe would you normally buy? Shoe size I tend to run 10.5-11 depending on the shoe, Vans Half cabs are my best friends.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Do you have a supportive insole in the boot? if so what type? I have the standard insoles that came with the boot. first guess is that this might well be the problem, if the foot is unstable then it will be spreading inside the boot making the boot feel too narrow
Was there any pressure padding put around your feet when the shell was being moulded to you? I don't know what that is, but they came straight from the oven to my feet and there wasn't any additional steps/ materials. if there are bony prominences then this again is a problem
did you stand in a neutral position on a hard surface while the boot cooled? Yes, I think so. Knees bent etc, standing on the store floor
what size of UK shoe would you normally buy? Shoe size I tend to run 10.5-11 depending on the shoe, Vans Half cabs are my best friends.[/quote]
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Do you have a supportive insole in the boot? if so what type? I have the standard insoles that came with the boot. first guess is that this might well be the problem, if the foot is unstable then it will be spreading inside the boot making the boot feel too narrow
Was there any pressure padding put around your feet when the shell was being moulded to you? I don't know what that is, but they came straight from the oven to my feet and there wasn't any additional steps/ materials. if there are bony prominences then this again is a problem
did you stand in a neutral position on a hard surface while the boot cooled? Yes, I think so. Knees bent etc, standing on the store floor
what size of UK shoe would you normally buy? Shoe size I tend to run 10.5-11 depending on the shoe, Vans Half cabs are my best friends. |
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Hi guys, so i took the boots back to Snow & Rock and the fitter there was a great help, ended up identifying a couple pressure points and reheated the boots and put some thin padding over the area's . Boots now appear to be problem free ( snow dome testing required to confirm) and fit like a snug glove! Thanks for all the help. I probably should of just gone back to S&R first but I let all the horror stories the internet threw my way get to me!
Any how, cheers!
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