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Jnr has been in group training sessions with a coach in order to potentially start racing at some point in the near future. He's been advised to get some 150cm slalom skis. We've been on the look out for some used ones but not seen an awful lot yet.
I've seen these though at a seemingly massive reduction http://www.snowcore.co.uk/rossignol-radical-world-cup-sl-fis-slant-nose-bindings any one have any idea why these could be reduced so much? Are they no longer legal to race on?
Any pointers on anything we should be looking for? Jnr is 13, 178cm and weighs around 70kg (so pretty much adult sized).
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hammerite, The skis are cheap because they are an odd size, for actual FIS races you need either 165 (male) or 155 (female & u18 male), these will have been designed for U16s to use as a step up to adult skis. They are also a couple of years old.
For a big 13yo they could be just right.
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150cm is the final step on the junior ski ladder. As already mentioned 155cm is the length for senior ladies and 165 for senior men. "Senior" means over 16 and running FIS races. Both the 155 and 165 (even more) are a lot stiffer than the 150 skis. It's normal for teenage boys to spend a season on 155 women's skis as a stepping stone to the 165 length.
At his weight 150 is on the edge. My son is 14 this year and has raced for several years. He weighs 60kg and raced on 150. Next season he will be on 155 for sure. But since your son is new to racing and probably less aggressive, 150 could work well. But the season after he will definitely need to step up to 155. It's not the 5cm extra length which is importsnt but the extra stiffness, especially in in torsion.
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@hammerite, We've ordered a pair of those for oski as they seem to be a bargain. Up to now, he's been skiing on 150cm junior slalom skis (including the latest Heros), but we expect he'll make the (expensive) jump to adult skis in the next season. How old is your Jnr? If he's in the U16 category already, then maybe give them a go, but if he's still U14, he'll may find them too much to handle.
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Thanks all.
@RobW, he's 13. Turns 14 in July. I'm not really too sure how long it will be until he actually races, for now it's training to see how far he improves.
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Head make a 156 junior slalom ski, might be an option given your sons height and weight.
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I would say these may be too stiff for him, if he's new to racing? They may be tricky, as he needs to be able to flex them? I think if they are to stiff he will end up skidding a bit?
I would go for a junior race ski. Most brands will offer one in 150 or slightly bigger. head are , I would say, the stiffest junior ski, so they may make a good transition.
Really I would talk to/email the coach. They will have seen him ski and be better at hazarding a guess.
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@hammerite, My daughter uses a rather old pair of them to freeski on, and a new pair to slalom race on. She is 14 and 165cm tall and quite a bit lighter then your son. (55kg) We have used them for 2 seasons as she has not grown much in that time. (but not used much this season due to knee issues). When she moved up to them from a pair of salomon junior SL 3v in 144, they seemed alot stiffer than the salomons, and her performance really jumped a level. Try them.
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Thanks all. I'll run them past the coach and see what he thinks. One stumbling block of Jnr skis is binding size, he's got pretty big feet and isn't far off out growing his 29.5 boots. Could this be a problem?
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hammerite, It won't just be a problem with junior skis, if his feet grow any more he won't be able to get race boots at all.
Has he thought of taking up basketball.
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@rjs, thankfully ski boots need to be worn tight or else we'd be in trouble! We struggle for football boots already, Nike and Adidas size 13s don't fit him (although I think both are sized pretty small as his school shoes are 12s). Thankfully his foot growth does seem to be slowing down.
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@hammerite, Just looked at my daughters skis (she is the opposite.... boot sole 268mm!) Plate is marked for up to 365mm boot sole, its the r20 plate that goes on adult skis as well.
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@hammerite, I have some of this seasons Head iSL team at 146 if they might be any use?
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You know it makes sense.
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@scooby_simon, thanks, will check with the coach. Can you PM me with a price?
@Zorrac, thanks for looking.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@hyperkub, useful thanks. That tells me that Jnr is a fair bit heavier than your average u14 ski racer! But then I kind of thought that anyway.
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Well the pair we ordered arrived today, and oski's initial verdict is that they are very similar in end-to-end flex than his current Rossi (Junior) Heros, but the plate makes the mid-ski flex less. He says he'll try them out at the races at CFe this weekend and report back.
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@hammerite, I'm not sure where you are, but if you could come along to one of the summer race meets you'll get a good view of what racers of various ages/abilities are using. Your youngster might even be able to have a few runs on some of them.
The current calendar is here: http://britski.org/15artcalver19.pdf
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@RobW, thanks, might do that. We're Southern so Welwyn, Hemel and MK are our locals.
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My son loves his 151's; they are stiffer than most so will reward good technique and are (in Michael's words) more lively and twitchy that the Atomic Ladies 155's he tried at Hemel on the Ambition camp last week.
He has Head iSL RD Ladies 156's coming in the autumn for next season.
Are you going to be at Hemel on Saturday ?
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No, Jnr will be at MK on Saturday morning. I'll probably pop along too and might grab an hour as I've just bought my first skis (awaiting delivery), been getting by with hired skis up until now.
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