 Poster: A snowHead
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I was yakking to my mate last week about him buying some new skis and I mentioned the Stoekli enormous great stiff things. For the record, my mate is 6' 5'' and weighs just over 15 stone.
From what someone said on here about their stiffness (I think) they sound like just the thing for a big guy like him who skis fairly aggressively.
a) any further comments on these big stiff planks
b) I know S&R stock them, but any other recommendations for a distributor? I like, where possible, to support the smaller business.
Cheers
Zammo
p.p. Beast (that's my mate's name ....)
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my mate is 6' 5'' and weighs just over 15 stone
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Is he from the Sudan?
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snowbunny, I was thinking of the Stormrider XL - they go to 194 and sounds pretty stiff.
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Frosty the Snowman, not great on weight .... he's a big lad! Do I mean 18 stone?
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zammo, He maybe one of those lucky. "tall & not fat like me" people 
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zammo, I've got some , the stormrider XL's that is, and i love them . Unfortunatley i am not a good enough skier to extol their virues enough. i'm only about 12.5 stone and 5'10" and to me they feel stiff but are very grippy and they love to go fast (or is that just me). i have only used them for one week and am hoping to develop my skills on them alot more this season. They do look nice tho 
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snowbunny, I thought you had forgotten me, i thought you might even offer to carry them for me 
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snowbunny, 320mm
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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mistermouse,
Oh, pity, that's not good news for me. Inconveniently large feet you have
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snowbunny, Poor water in his boots on a cold day - after a little frostbite it's amazing how people's sole lengths shrink
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You know it makes sense.
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Scarpa,
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snowbunny, Poor water in his boots on a cold day - after a little frostbite it's amazing how people's sole lengths shrink
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Thats just not nice 
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Stiff? What does that mean exactly?
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Poster: A snowHead
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David Murdoch,
Not a lot if your are 15 st...!! 
I'm a fan of XL's. And to the point of repeating myself they are an all round ski that will take him anywhere.
I wouldn't know what size he would need ( guessing 184- ish ) but typically the skis have a great edge which really does hold and they float and handle in deeper stuff very well. They lend themselves to an old school technique - well, mine anyway - and are just one stonking ski.
Incidently I tried them against the laser SL and the XL was not too far behind on edge hold as far as I was concerned which I thought was very impressive for a go anywhere on the mountain ski..!! They are Swiss hand made and therefore the flex is variable between pairs. How much you would notice this unless you skied skis back to back I don't know.
I haven't seen too many XL's for hire in the alpes but I know they have test centre in Engelberg where you can demo as many as you can find...!!
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I haven't seen too many XL's for hire in the alpes but I know they have test centre in Engelberg where you can demo as many as you can find...!! |
The stores here still have a stock of last years XL's at sale prices.
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I'm 5'9" and 13stone (yes I'm carrying a few extra pounds but I have chunky legs too!) and I ski XLs in 174cm. I agree with JT - 184 should be good for him. I think the 194's are strictly for the hardcore.
The XL is a genuine do anything ski. They are stiff but if your mate has reasonable technique then he should be good ( I think a good test is does he get his body well inside the arc of the skis in a turn). Most ski shops that sell them will let you demo them so it shouldn't be a problem.
I tested then bought mine in Jean Blanc in Courchevel 1850 FWIW.
Cheers, J
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jedster, cheers guys. I'm seeing my mate tonight so will pass on your comments.
All he needs to do now is persuade his wife that new skis are more important than new baby stuff .....
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zammo, Anyone that buys new baby stuff for their own baby is a fool. It will come flooding through the door as gifts and hand-me-downs.
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I can agree with the general comments on the Stormrider XL's, I hired a pair for a week in Obergurgl season before last, when on an off piste holiday, only down side was the terminal judder on icy pistes, they are quite light unlike my Elan 666's which are a much better ski but heavy, but nobody seems to talk about them (Elans that is) 
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Dypcdiver,
I had read that Elan 666 might be a ski to try but I couldn't find them. I didn't get the judder on hard snow with a 2005 XL you talk about
and would vouch that they float well enough if the stiffness of the skng is to your liking - they are reagrded as stiff and not light - and they do have a very solid edge hold.
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JT, Not only the judder but the sore hip & elbow which accompanied the judder. However if someone offered me a pair I wouldn't turn them down  still rate them as overall a good ski.
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Not had the judder with mine
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DB, I find it's pretty easy to cause the 'judder' on both skis if you flatten the ski at turn finish and attempt to use rotary; to me the 666 has a far softer nose so transitions from soft-edging in fluff to bold edging on scraped surface are not as dramatic.
Only skied the 'old' AT, sorry. On a spring day at WinterPark, that felt a bit of a girlie ski with so-so float and only just reasonable bump manners, I gave them back and went off to play with some Volant Genesis Golds instead.
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Dypcdiver,
I don't understand how you would get "judder" on Stormriders if you were skiing them as they are intended. They are renown for their edge grip and stability - so holding a smooth carve on ice and untroubled chopping through crud would be particular strong points. I imagine if your style is to use skid to bleed off speed then you might find that the the torsional stiffness and vertical side-walls made the edges a bit "snatchy" and I guess this could cause some "judder". I'd say that Stormriders are not designed for that technique and it's part of the reason that they have a reputation as a demanding ski.
I'm also surprised to hear you describe Stormriders as light. Mine feel pretty heavy and that's not surprising given the cores and 3 layers of titanal...
J
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jedster,
Gotta agree completely, if this ski isn't holding an edge it isn't likely to be the ski IMV..
DB, Don't know about the AT but to state the obvious it sounds exactly like an XL touring version which is lighter . They also do a Pit light as well which I think is narrower, IIRC.
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JT, The AT and Pit light, are both available in shorter lengths than the Stormrider. Pit Light at 156 with 70mm underfoot, and AT in 158 with 76mm underfoot. Will suit vertically challenged folk...like me
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Bit late joining this thread but i had to give up my Volkl G4s at the end of last season and managed to convince Neil Hardie of Telemark Pyrenees to part with the only pair of Stormrider DP Pros in france for the last month of the season. I am 6'1" and weigh 100 kgs, ski almost exclusively off-piste and have the 201 cm version. They are sensational. Super stiff and massively stable at warp speeds, even on corduroy. I would recommend them without reservation. telemark Pyrenees are the best place to get this sort of thing... Good luck!
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Powderhound, I like the DPs. Nice to have someone else confirming that fat & long isn't bad. I also skied an older version of the DPs (the funny brown ones) in 203, superb. It doesn't even feel that big when you're really stamp on them...
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Thanks for the feedback on the AT. I'm looking for for an allround ski to do everything (piste, offpiste, touring etc). I'll still keep my alpine boots and skis (inc fat skis) but need the ultimate compromise ski. The Stormrider XL, Apache Recon, Head IM75 (maybe IM88 too) and Dynastar 8000 (maybe 8800 too) are on my demo list but was wondering how the lighter AT compared to the XL. Like the build quality of the Stockli's but at my weight expect them to be too stiff for what I'm looking for (expect the 8000 will float better) hence considering the AT which sounds like it might be too soft.
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DB, if you're looking for an AT rig & performance but big enough to ski alpine too how about a carbon ski? www.dpskis.com (used to be drake boinay), but no skis until February. There are other AT set ups if you are interested that are beefier so you can just ski it as the ultimate one ski quiver...
I've got some very pretty new NX21s waiting to be drilled and most likely to be on my Propets... very excited.
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DB,
I wouldn't put the M75 in the same league as the XL but I would say the 8000 is a very good ski and it is just a case of what you prefer, I don't know how the XL would cover you touring but that is the only place you may call it too stiff IMV. And I am going to try the 8800 and maybe the DP if I get good conditions, cheers parlor, ..
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For what it's worth I use my DPs for everything, with a Fritschi Freeride binding for touring. Not the best for short swings or tight bumps though....
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parlor,
Just had a set of freerides mounted on some old K2 skis and borrowed somebody else's skins for the time being. Was thinking of getting the new NX21 and it looks good but the reliability record of the Fritschi's and the fact that Intersport offered 20% last weekend swung it.
Thanks for the link. I'm 73kg and 174cm. The Cassiar looks a little long in 178 but it might work (a 170 ski has worked best for me in the past a 186cm Mad Trix Mojo spanked me). I could use a Stockli DP ....... for ski jumping . The Waiter 95 is probably too wide for a complete allrounder (for me at least). Prefer to demo before I buy, can DP skis be test ridden? Had similar problems when I considered the Bro Model from PMGear in the past. http://www.pmgearusa.com/bromodel/bromodelf.htm
Always open to suggestions on a downhill orientated AT setup though.
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DB,
Stockli have test centres in the alpes
Lookie here
If you can spare a few days come down to Engelberg in Jan, they have a full centre there
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FAQ
fans of Stockli Stormriders are, ise and JT. I'm sure either or both will be along soon to help you with some info on some enormous great stiff things for Beast 
