 Poster: A snowHead
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Drawing up a shortlist of skis to demo/test in resort this Christmas, and looking for some snowHead input. I’m a 17 week intermediate, and looking for an all-mountain ski that’ll treat me nicely off-piste without compromising grip on ice and hard pack. So far I’ve got:
- Bandit B2
- Bandit B3
- Volkl Unlimited AC3
- Salomon Scrambler Hot
- Metron B5
- K2 Apache Recon
Possibly also Head Monster 72 or XL?
Any more recommendations to add to the list?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Dave Burt, Ditch the Scrambler & add the Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel. Unless your 225lbs plus stay clear of the b5 in 172cm.
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Bandit B3
Bandit B4
Volkl Karma
Line Prophet 80
Dynastar Big Trouble
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| spyderjon wrote: |
| Dave Burt, Ditch the Scrambler & add the Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel. Unless your 225lbs plus stay clear of the b5 in 172cm. |
Edit: Oops, I was thinking of the Scrambler 9 which I've tried & it just didn't get close to the b5 or even the Recons. I've not tried the Hot but it got good reviews on Realskiers.
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spyderjon, it got good reviews here before realskiers had seen it!
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parlor, you left out the smilie from your post!
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Wear The Fox Hat, have you tried a M666 yet?
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comprex, not yet. Maybe next weekend... 
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I would definitely suggest trying the Monster 72. Well, I would since I just bought them I tested the AC3 and the iM72 and put a review up last week if you think that would help you
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Dave Burt, Another vote for the Hot Rod, Earlier this year I demoed the Nitrous which has the same dimensions as the Top Fuel but is a little softer. I clearly preferred this Ski over the B5
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Get treated nice off piste without compromising grip?
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Bandit B3
Bandit B4
Volkl Karma
Line Prophet 80
Dynastar Big Trouble |
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You know it makes sense.
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parlor, you forgot the smilie again!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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eng_ch, I second the Head Monster suggestion
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I don't mind. I guess I'm becoming some kindof cyber nerd. I've even spelt it out before, note to self spend less time with Mary. I'm a skier not a computer geek...
There isn't any smilie need for the original post. Why would someone test a load of skis without testing what the future holds? 9 or 10 years ago we would have been having the same discussion about carving skis.
DON'T BE AFRAID TO TRY SOMETHING NEW. EVEN WHEN IT'S GOOD FOR YOU. 
For you guys they might be fat skis, to me they are mid-fat.
Jamie Oliver has the right idea, try something new for Christmas.
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Well thanks guys. I'll definitely add the Monster 72 (eng_ch, yep, it was your review that prompted me to contemplate them - really useful write ups) and the Hot Rods. May well try the 12.1 SUVs too.
parlor, I think some of these might be a bit too fat for me (ditto the Public Enemies) - I am certainly not looking to be doing tricks in the park, or even any big back-country stuff!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Dave Burt,
Out of your original list I would expect all bar the Volkl, Metron and Xl to be compromised somewhat on ice.
If you are going to use it on-piste with a few forays into deeper stuff then get the ski that cuts ice the best but floats well.
I think the Nordica sounds good but try the XL - it may be too stiff for you - but if you can ski it then it will serve all your needs
as described and some
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spyderjon, I promise, I promise, I promise to test the B5's in the 162, By the way it was your suggestion to try the Hot Rods
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JT, Yes I tested the B5 length 172, and yes I thought they really sucked. When I first picked them up I had to check that I hadn't picked up a railway sleeper by mistake - they were so heavy. On the snow they just didn't have any fun in them. spyderjon, assures me that the B5 transforms itself into a wonder ski when skied short. After reading so many other positive reviews given the opportunity I would like to try the B5 in the 162. Ise and Lampbus also didn't like them.
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blueskix,
I wouldn't like a railway sleeper at 172.. 
Post back when you try the short gauge railway sleeper...!!!
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Dave Burt, what's the widest waisted ski you have been on?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Personally I'd add the 1080 to your list, I know some people don't like them, but others (inc me) love them for an all mountain ski.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| blueskix wrote: |
| JT, Yes I tested the B5 length 172, and yes I thought they really sucked. When I first picked them up I had to check that I hadn't picked up a railway sleeper by mistake - they were so heavy. On the snow they just didn't have any fun in them. spyderjon, assures me that the B5 transforms itself into a wonder ski when skied short. After reading so many other positive reviews given the opportunity I would like to try the B5 in the 162. Ise and Lampbus also didn't like them. |
I think that Ise & Lampus only tried the b5 in 172. If I recall Lampus was planning to redemo them 162 on the Sun morning but the problems with the test passes might have mucked up his plans. I reckon that you got to be a 240lb'er to work the 172. Maybe that's why they sell well in the US
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| parlor wrote: |
| Dave Burt, what's the widest waisted ski you have been on? |
No idea. But why would I want I great fat ski which I wouldn't know how to control on the piste?
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You know it makes sense.
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Bit of a hijack, but how do people find the Metron M:11 compared to the B5?
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| mark_s wrote: |
| Bit of a hijack, but how do people find the Metron M:11 compared to the B5? |
For me (a 200lb'er & b5/162 owner) the M11 in 162 is softer & not as stable at warp speed as it doesn't have the beta 5 system. Also not quite the edge hold, especially on ice. Both skis reward modern technique with the M11 being the more for forgiving of the two. The b5 is not really forgiving, especially if your fore/aft balance is off. The b5 also requires more subtle inputs.
I haven't tried the M11 in 172 but at my weight I go for the 172 if I the b5 wasn't available.
Rockyrobin (140lbs) found my b5 to be too much & is very happy on his M11's in 162.
Basically the b5 just has more top end performance so it's better suited to an agressive skier.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| parlor wrote: |
I don't mind. I guess I'm becoming some kindof cyber nerd. I've even spelt it out before, note to self spend less time with Mary. I'm a skier not a computer geek...
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Nor, would I guess, are you into horse racing, which is where my name comes from originally.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Tried some horse riding some time ago, damn thing wasn't into cliff drops. Gave it back. For racing, I prefer the dogs.
Foxy, you're not scared of a bit of girth, tell 'em^^^
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Dave Burt, head Monsters as discussed, but if you can find them Scott Aztec (the only truly all-round ski I've ever skied) and the Scott P3 which is a bit more piste orientated. No guarantee that you'll find a shop which stocks Scotts though. The K2 Public Enemy (mentioned above) is very popular for all round, but not a top noch off piste ski.
I would consider Rossi B4's PHAT BTW.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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parlor, I'm not scared of girth on my second pair of skis, but I wouldn't want to have something over 85mm if I was only to have one pair.
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I've seen a good review for the Stockli Stormriders, but as I haven't tried them I can't give a verdict. However, there is bound to be a few people on this board who have.
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[quote="Wear The Fox Hat"][b]parlor, I'm not scared of girth on my second pair of skis, but I wouldn't want to have something over 85mm if I was only to have one pair.[/quote][/b]
LUDITE! I guess it would be awful to find out after all these years of skiing indoors, that you were wrong.
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Dave Burt,
Out of the Monsters try the 77 as it will be easier off-psite and I wouldn't exepct it to suffer against the M72 on piste, if at all..
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Wear The Fox Hat, you have two pairs of skis (or more ) so you're OK. And even with a maximum of 85mm some of these ^ people are still calling that fat... We need a smilie for <hanging my head in shame>
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FAQ
Thickie baton coming your way 
OK but if you're not sure what the widest ski you've tried is it can't have been anything special. What are you scared of? Do you really think the skis I mentioned ^ fat? How did you find the internet? People have only been using it for a few years 
